Lead the People

By Matt Poepsel, PhDBusiness Entrepreneurship Management

Lead the People episodes

March 21, 2024#65: Mission-Driven Leadership with Dean Wegner
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Dean Wegner graduated from West Point in 1993 and served 7 years in the Army as a helicopter pilot and Army Ranger. After the Army, the majority of Dean’s business career was spent in business development, marketing, and strategy with Procter & Gamble and Mars. In 2017, Dean founded Authentically American, a Veteran owned, American made premium apparel brand.
Dean is active in his church and serves on the board of several for-profit and non-profit companies and organizations. Dean and Authentically American are riding a wave of national media exposure having been featured in Forbes, Inc. Magazine, FOX News, MSNBC, Nasdaq, Newsmax TV, and SiriusXM Radio.
Dean and his bride Kelly have been married for 29 years and they have 4 children, with the youngest being adopted from Ethiopia.
Top 3 Takeaways
Get to the point. Your mission statement and sentiment aren’t nice to have. Top talent and customers are looking to work with organizations they find meaningful. Emphasize the point your organization exists and distill this into a clear and compelling mission.
Get real. If your mission statement is only going to amount to empty words, don’t bother taking the time to create it. Make sure your mission is authentic, tangible, and apparent in all that you do.
Share the wealth. Manifesting and reinforcing an organization’s mission isn’t the sole responsibility of the CEO or the executive team. Leaders at every level honor the mission through their decisions, attitude, and actions.
From Our Sponsor
The Predictive Index (PI) is an award-winning talent optimization platform that aligns business strategy with people strategy for optimal business results. More than 60 years of proven science, software, and a curriculum of insightful management workshops make PI the solution for any company looking to design great teams and culture, make objective hiring decisions, foster engagement, and inspire greatness in their people anywhere in the world. More than 10,000 clients and 480+ partners use PI—including Nissan, Citizens Bank, Subway, Blue Cross Blue Shield, and Omni Hotels—across 90+ countries. Learn more at predictiveindex.com.
From the Source
“One of the recruiting posters they sent me at West Point said ‘Much of the history we teach was made by people we taught’ and had pictures of Eisenhower and Grant and Lee, and that really struck home. Just thinking, ‘Wow. I'm walking through the same hallowed halls as former presidents and generals.’”
“As I built this vision over five years, it was really grounded in ‘How do we change an industry? How do we make a difference?’”
“You want it to be real. You just don't want it to be those nice, fancy, pretty posters on the wall.”
“How can you take the context of your current business, your product, or service, and see how you can go ahead and think creatively? Because especially in today's digital age with social media, the power of story, the power of giving back is so impactful.”
“I think the way to [reinforce mission] is not start from the top. I think you turn that pyramid upside down and you say, ‘You know what?’—whether you get a focus group or you have a big town hall, I think you really start to have discussions with your team, with your employees, and understand—‘What is really our culture all about? What do our employees really value?’”
Connect with Dean
Website: http://www.authenticallyamerican.us
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/deanwegner93/

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28 min
March 14, 2024#64: How Gen Z is Showing Up at Work with Brian Phillips
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Brian is an Oklahoma native who moved to California with the goal of building leaders and cultivating change around the world after graduating from the University of Oklahoma. With a mix of enterprise recruiting experience at HP and Google with a foundation in agency recruiting at TEKsystems, he has found a love for the industry. As an Executive Recruiter with Hewlett-Packard, he strives to enable the development of better technology for everyone, everywhere highlighting the intersection of his career interests and passions. He is strategically learning ways to connect exceptional talent with their dream careers and passion projects, the type of operations that impact how we relate and interact with people and places across the globe. Each day he is sharpening his skills to promote and maximize professionals' global impact, quality of life, and career aspirations while building lifelong relationships that extend beyond the connection. He is a brother to three siblings, a running enthusiast, and a LinkedIn wizard! If you're seeking some career advice, know of an epic California coffee shop, or are in search of a surfing /skiing buddy, he is happy to connect!
Top 3 Takeaways
Seek to understand. Gen Z is bringing a very different emphasis regarding their interests in social impact, sustainability, and work/life balance. Rather than try to change them, first listen and learn about their interests.
Coach with caution. Gen Z wants coaching around the things they want and not necessarily around what older more experienced mentors want them to want. Focus on impact and growth.
Pay fair. Inexperienced Gen Z workers may not advocate for themselves when it comes to fair pay. Build trust and mutual commitment by ensuring all workers are paid fairly today and tomorrow.
From Our Sponsor
The Predictive Index (PI) is an award-winning talent optimization platform that aligns business strategy with people strategy for optimal business results. More than 60 years of proven science, software, and a curriculum of insightful management workshops make PI the solution for any company looking to design great teams and culture, make objective hiring decisions, foster engagement, and inspire greatness in their people anywhere in the world. More than 10,000 clients and 480+ partners use PI—including Nissan, Citizens Bank, Subway, Blue Cross Blue Shield, and Omni Hotels—across 90+ countries. Learn more at predictiveindex.com.
From the Source
“We're a fun generation. I think we're an opinionated one, and we're a really excited one about the future. And at the end of the day, I think both Gen Z and other generations have the same goal, and that's to make a social impact, to do something empowering and inspiring for this world and something that's gonna really extend beyond just us in our lifetime.”
“With the advancements of technology, we're realizing that maybe we can rely on these new technologies to help us get our work done a little more efficiently. And with some flexibility, we can both live our lives and do our day to day jobs really well.”
“My generation is more skeptical of employers than probably any other generation, and I think it's rightfully so.”
“We need to create a work life balance and a culture around getting to live your life but also be happy at your job. And when you're happy at your job, you live a happier life, and, honestly, your work is better too. So I think when an employer doesn't Immediately take the defensive and kinda push back and get upset and says, ‘This person's challenging our traditional view of work. I've not been challenged like this before, but this is the future. So maybe we need to hear them out and see how we can meet in the middle.’”
Connect with Brian
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/brian-phillips-b00mer/

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33 min
March 07, 2024#63: Tackling Big Issues at a Small Business with Vicky Brown
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Vicky's passion for helping entrepreneurs is rooted in her own entrepreneurial journey. After two decades of leadership roles in the corporate world, Vicky founded her own HR consultancy, Idomeneo Enterprises, in 2001. Faced with countless questions and challenges, Vicky realized how valuable a step-by-step guide would be. From these experiences, she developed a vision to offer comprehensive, accessible HR guidance and educational resources - this vision led to the creation of the Leaders Journey Experience, an education program specifically designed to equip entrepreneurs and business professionals with the tools, guidance, and confidence to navigate the sometimes complex world of HR, in a less complex way.
Top 3 Takeaways
Don’t go it alone. If you have a business, you have a people business. You can hire, contract, or outsource to meet your strategic human resources needs, but you can’t neglect these.
Get clear. Before you bring on an employee, ensure that you can articulate exactly what you need them to do rather than exactly how they need to do it. They may surprise you in a good way!
Culture is king. Whether you think you have a distinct culture or not, you actually do. The question is how intentionally you designed it. Partner up with a people pro to shape or reshape your culture as needed.
From our Sponsor
The Predictive Index (PI) is an award-winning talent optimization platform that aligns business strategy with people strategy for optimal business results. More than 60 years of proven science, software, and a curriculum of insightful management workshops make PI the solution for any company looking to design great teams and culture, make objective hiring decisions, foster engagement, and inspire greatness in their people anywhere in the world. More than 10,000 clients and 480+ partners use PI—including Nissan, Citizens Bank, Subway, Blue Cross Blue Shield, and Omni Hotels—across 90+ countries. Learn more at predictiveindex.com.
From the Source
“Finding and bringing in the right people is a huge concern. Then, what do you do when you get them? How do you get them to continue to support and be committed and really contribute to the organization?”
“Finding the right people starts with knowing what you need, and that starts with fun HR jargon—a job description.”
“You want to say, ‘I knew hiring someone was a bad idea.’ Well, it's not a bad idea. You have to give them a chance. You have to give them a clear roadmap, and then you have to get out of the way and let them do it because they actually will bring different perspectives, different experience. They may bring some innovation to that process that you never even thought about.”
“People say, ‘You know, I want to build a culture. I want to create a culture.’ I have news for you. Your organization already has a culture because it's going to get created whether you contribute or not.”
Connect with Vicky
Gift: http://morehumanmoreresources.info/podcastgift
Website: https://idomeneoinc.com/

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33 min
February 29, 2024#62: Serving Up Successful Teamwork with Ed Doherty
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Ed Doherty is the founder of One Degree Coaching. One Degree helps leaders create intentional and cohesive cultures. Ed believes that helping employees find fulfillment in their work life is the highest calling for any organization.
Top 3 Takeaways
Evolve your approach. Command and control leadership was once all the rage, but times have changed. To drive the highest level of performance and engagement, we must now shift toward servant leadership and related methods.
People make the difference. Ed’s staggering results didn’t come from technology innovation or new marketing techniques. He got the people part right and this became a phenomenal engine of growth.
Make the connection. Ed did something that is all-too-uncommon among would-be leaders. He made a personal 1:1 connection with each of the team members at his restaurant. His genuine human interest is still appreciated all these years later.
From our Sponsor
The Predictive Index (PI) is an award-winning talent optimization platform that aligns business strategy with people strategy for optimal business results. More than 60 years of proven science, software, and a curriculum of insightful management workshops make PI the solution for any company looking to design great teams and culture, make objective hiring decisions, foster engagement, and inspire greatness in their people anywhere in the world. More than 10,000 clients and 480+ partners use PI—including Nissan, Citizens Bank, Subway, Blue Cross Blue Shield, and Omni Hotels—across 90+ countries. Learn more at predictiveindex.com.
From the Source
"The transactional nature of the boss and the employee changed during the Great Resignation. So now [workers are] still in the driver's seat. That's starting to abate a little bit, but they now have a little bit more power in what they want from their work, and the bosses are trying to adjust to that.“
“I didn't know what servant leadership was. I wasn't taught that. I didn't know anything. … I didn't have that lesson of how enlightened leadership—which is completely counterintuitive initially—is the way to go to create buy-in and to build a better culture. I just didn't have that lesson, so I had to kinda figure it out the hard way.”
“What I realized is that every organization has a vision statement or some type of vision—where they're gonna go and what they wanna be. Then there's the values, which is the behavioral, the how. The why and the how.”
Connect with Ed
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ed-doherty-68177a31/
One Degree Coaching (including Ed’s Notes newsletter): https://onedegreecoaching.com/

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34 min
February 22, 2024#61: Inclusive Leadership Today and Every Day with Maureen "Mo" Berkner Boyt
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Maureen Mo Berkner Boyt is the Founder and CEO of The Moxie Exchange. She’s spent over 25 years helping organizations grow by creating inclusive workplaces where talented people can thrive. She has leveraged the power of technology to build scalable, actionable, measurable inclusion tools, including the first-of-its-kind comprehensive diversity and inclusion solution, Everyday Inclusion. Everyday Inclusion was named one of the Top 20 Most Innovative Products of 2020, a solution that infuses DEI into daily operations by Forrester Research and has been called, the future of diversity and inclusion.
Top 3 Takeaways
Aim high. Don’t be satisfied with performance and engagement. Set the bar even higher by striving to create a workplace where people can thrive.
Run the numbers. We’re beyond the stage of wondering whether inclusion can benefit the business. It simply does. Use readily available calculators to put rationale behind the right thing to do.
Trust your brain. Our default behaviors can produce something known as an amygdala hijack. Make the time to recognize the brain science that can help or harm those around us.
From the Source
“How do we create workplaces where every single person can thrive—not just be engaged—but thrive? Because when we do that, we can solve some really big, gnarly global issues like climate change.”
“Whether it's Gallup, Credit Suisse, McKinsey, Korn Ferry, lots of universities including Stanford, the data just continues to pile up. Literally on every measure, inclusive teams outperform.”
“When you're talking about diversity and equity, those are systems level things. Who are we hiring? How are we compensating them? Diversity, equity, inclusion, and belonging is every person, all day long—behaviors, actions, choices, leadership. When you start to break it down in that way, then it's like, ‘Okay, I get it.’”
“Although our brain only takes up a small part of the mass of our body but a lion's share of oxygen, we stay in habit. So to protect that, to protect our big, beautiful brain for that higher level thinking, if we're already in habit, if we want to change a habit, if we can hack into an existing habit loop, we're halfway there.”
“We are, as human beings, hardwired for belonging. Millions of years ago, if we didn't belong, it was a death sentence.”
“We all need belonging. This isn't one group or another group. Fundamentally, we all do. So if we're all walking around what we call nice but clueless—NBC—and we're perpetuating these microaggressions without even knowing it, and people are walking around in constant amygdala hijack, it's no wonder that feelings of exclusion are over 80%.”
“Once people understand the neuroscience of pain, it's unethical to hire and to bring in folks from marginalized, underrepresented, diverse, groups and put them in toxic environments. There's a race for diversity without inclusion. Those are disastrous results.”
Connect with Mo
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/maureenberknerboyt/
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/momoxieboyt/
The Moxie Exchange: https://themoxieexchange.com/
About Our Sponsor
The Predictive Index (PI) is an award-winning talent optimization platform that aligns business strategy with people strategy for optimal business results. More than 60 years of proven science, software, and a curriculum of insightful management workshops make PI the solution for any company looking to design great teams and culture, make objective hiring decisions, foster engagement, and inspire greatness in their people anywhere in the world. More than 10,000 clients and 480+ partners use PI—including Nissan, Citizens Bank, Subway, Blue Cross Blue Shield, and Omni Hotels—across 90+ countries. Learn more at predictiveindex.com.

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31 min
November 16, 2023#60: Leadership Experience with Jessica Ivins
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Jessica Ivins is a veteran User Experience (UX) researcher. She leads UX research and research operations at The Predictive Index. Before joining The Predictive Index, Jessica honed her skills through a variety of roles in UX research and design. She’s dedicated much of her time to the UX community, presenting at conferences, appearing on podcasts, and writing many blog posts.
Top 3 Takeaways
Words matter. There’s ample confusion about the difference between management and leadership. The most important definition of leadership is your own.
Lead by example. As a leader, all eyes are on you. You’re always in control of how you comport yourself through modeling your attitudes and behaviors in any situation.
Go for growth. A fixed mindset may be common, but it’s not the only option. A growth mindset is not only possible, it’s preferred.
From the Source
“To be a manager, you have to be given a title with management responsibilities, and at the core of your responsibility as a manager is you're responsible, responsible for retention and results.”
“A leader can be just about anybody, and as a leader, you're moving other people toward change and hopefully positive change.”
“ I think most people have the potential to be a leader, and that's the beauty of being a leader, right? And it's very fulfilling, too, right? You don't have to earn a management title. You don't have to earn a leadership title, so to speak. You can just help other people move toward positive change.”
“I do see it go the other way, too, though, where people who have pretty lofty titles are reticent or hesitant to consider themselves to be a leader, even though they'd be managing large groups of people.”
“I have a daughter and so modeling is huge for me as a parent, but it's really showing up in the career context. It's really showing up as the professional that you want to be and that can make your workplace better, that can make the people around you better, and just basically modeling that for everybody. It can start with simple things like showing up on time being a decent professional and also the harder things like handling stressful situations with professionalism.”
“People often go to their peers because it's safer to go to your peers and vent than it is to go to your boss. I think even just listening, sometimes just being a sounding board, can really help people because sometimes people just need to vent and get it out of their system and then move on.”
“I've managed a lot of perfectionists and perfectionism unfortunately often comes with a fixed mindset. So it's just been a lot of reframing.”
“When people come to you for help, they usually don't want advice. They want you to help them think things through.”
“If you know in your heart of hearts that you don't want to be a manager, then it's probably best not to do it.”
Connect with Jessica
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jessicaivins/

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29 min
November 09, 2023#59: Sustainable Leadership with Dr. Gabrielle Bouret-Sicotte
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Gabrielle Bourret-Sicotte is the co-founder and CEO of Greenr. Gabrielle’s background includes a PhD in Solar Panel Research at the University of Oxford. Her research led her to inventing a technique to improve the efficiency of Silicon Solar Panels leading to a world record efficiency. Gabrielle also spent time working on Climate Policy and Transition Risk in developing countries.
Gabrielle quickly realized that many businesses lacked the time and resources to invest in expensive consultants for one-off carbon emission assessments. This led her to co-found Greenr, a sustainability as a service organization helping businesses to measure and reduce emissions at source.
Top 3 Takeaways
Put it to the test. Running a business is a lot like conducting a science experiment. Be clear about your hypothesis and remain as objective as possible while testing it.
Do your part. There may be some differences in attitudes across the generations, but we all want a healthy planet, and we can all do small things that add up.
Know your numbers. Even the most heartfelt ideas need a rational defense. Gather your research around the business benefits before making your pitch to start up a sustainability program.
From the Source
“You don't really get feedback as a CEO. You don't get performance reviews in terms of how your colleagues and the people working for your company are perceiving you.”
“You have to self-motivate. There is an end goal, which is either revenue or finishing your degree, but at the end of the day, you just have to lead yourself along the path of putting a hypothesis out there—whether that's science or looking at consumer needs—and then you just test this hypothesis again in science or whether your customers like it, and then you build it, and then you iterate.”
“I won't say that millennials and Gen Z's are more active in the climate than actually our parents or our grandparents. I don't think that's necessarily true.”
“We have a lot of stats around what is the actual business add and business value add for companies to actually use a product like Greenr or an employee engagement tool. So we have a lot of stats on average employee retention. I think it's 31%. You get an average retention of 31 percent increase when you have a sustainability policy that involves employees. You can actually also attract 74 percent more talent and range of talent by having a sustainability policy. So we have all of these metrics that we can go to top management and say ‘these are the numbers’ that you can use in order to get the budget and get a decision.”
Connect with Gabrielle and Greenr
Website: http://www.greenr.com
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/greenr-technologies
Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/wearegreenr
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/wearegreenr_/
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/gabrielle-bourret-sicotte/

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19 min
November 02, 2023#58: Lifelong Learning for Leaders with Dr. Deborah Watts
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Dr. Deborah Watts has more than 20 years of experience helping people and organizations grow. Her passion is developing professionals into tomorrow's leaders and coaching leaders on how to optimize their performance as well as the performance of their team. Her experience has come from many unique opportunities spanning a wide range of disciplines and industries including organizations such as the Governors Literacy Foundation, RJ Young, Lands End, Humana, Harley-Davidson, Seaspan, Starbucks and Zillow.
Currently, Deborah is the Founder and CEO of Hayde & Company, a talent optimization consulting firm and the Director of Graduate and Executive Education at the University of Tennessee, Haslam College of Business. She also serves as a Certified Partner for Predictive Index and Senior Consultant for the Leadership Pipeline Institute.
Top 3 Takeaways
Follow the joyful energy. When Deborah felt a similar energy in the classroom that she had during her work in the motorsports industry, she set an intention to make a shift and she never looked back.
Find your why. When you have a clear understanding of your purpose, even the most menial tasks have meaning. Without it, you may produce big results but still feel something is missing from your work and your life.
Commit to the craft. Deborah built a powerful learning experience for leaders who are willing to put in the work to reach their next level. Be a student of leadership for your own benefit as well as to serve others.
From the Source
“Someone on the board had the idea of ‘Hey, we need to bring in a consultant to help us.’ Well, that consultant came from the Oliver group and the very first thing they did is have us take the Predictive Index Behavioral Assessment, and I was blown away.”
“We realized that if we wanted to go acquire these dealerships and then have them perform at a higher level, we had to invest in the people. So I think that was just a powerful experience for me.”
“I remember feeling that same excitement I felt for the power sports industry I felt in the classroom. So I thought, what do I do to make that happen?”
“I ended up teaching a class at a university in Europe, and it really started expanding how adults learn and how in the U S, how we only promote if you're going to manage people. Typically for the most part, you have to take that role of ‘I'm going to manage human beings to get a raise or get a better title.’ Europe has a lot of specialist programs. If you say, ‘I don't ever want to manage people, but I want to continue to grow’ then you move into maybe a specialist role.”
“When I was at the Ohio State University, I remember our janitor was awesome. He was super friendly, great guy. He was there when we woke up and there when we went to bed, and our dorm was spotless. And I remember us talking to him someday about ‘Where do you get this drive and passion from?’ And the way he saw it was, ‘I keep people healthy. I keep you all healthy. Because of me, you all get to stay healthy, come to school, get a degree and go do great things in the world.’ And so he had a bigger understanding. He understood the why behind his job.”
“I get the opportunity to work with a lot of folks that do have that combination of workplace, corporate experience, or non profit experience. And they also have the academic piece. And so together, I think in the classroom, it just equals some really powerful stuff.”
“There will be moments where you're thinking about your organization, like you just said, like where you're working and you think, ‘Is this my leader? Is this how they operate? Is this a place I want to continue to invest my time,?’ which is very valuable time that you're not with your family. You want to make sure where you do spend it is worthwhile. And so it does make you think. It absolutely makes you think, and it makes you take the stories that you're hearing and apply them to your own personal situation.”
Connect with Deborah
Website: https://www.haydeandco.com/
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/deborahwatts1/
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/drdeb5413
Email: [email protected]
C-Suite Insights at the University of Tennessee, Knoxville, Haslam College of Business: https://haslam.utk.edu/c-suites-insights

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32 min
October 26, 2023#57: STICK to Your Values with John Saunders
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Saunders spent more than two decades as a Wall Street SVP, sales team leader, and award-winning sales executive. He is now a coach, consultant & author. He spent years as a member of the Georgetown McDonough MBA Alumni Advisory Council and is an active angel investor. He is a long time regular contributor to the Executive MBA mentorship program and spent 3 years on the committee that built the mentorship program for the EMBA and MBA programs.
Top 3 Takeaways
Follow your heart. Life throws a lot at us, and we’re asked to make tough decisions every day. Being clear about our values helps us navigate with intention.
Put it to the test. When you’re clear about your mission and vision, these serve as a kind of litmus test to determine whether a given idea is worth pursuing. Otherwise, an idea may fizzle.
Balance it out. As storytellers, we need to ensure that our message is rooted in a strong foundation. Persuasion, structure, and the right amount of detail turn a good story into a great one.
From the Source
“The simplest definition of vision I'd like to use is: It's your ideal and maybe aspirational future. And maybe you never get there, but it's that big North Star that you say, ‘Hey, that's what we want to be when we grow up,’ right?”
“That's where the power is, that's where it became really powerful. It was pushing her, challenging her to think bigger.”
“It brings clarity on sort of how to think about things and how to bring new ideas forward for innovation and growth.”
“We're all in this together, but we need you all to come forward with ideas on how we get this, get this going. And it was all based on their values, mission, and vision.”
“It gave them something to lean on to say, ‘How do we make these decisions here in this very difficult environment?’”
“This is a message that needs to permeate every aspect of your organization.”
“You know that the inevitable stress point is going to come. And that cannot be the day that you suddenly say, ‘This is what we stand for, people.’”
“It's such an important part of being a leader to live and breathe those values and showcase that ‘This is how we do things.’”
Connect with John
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jcs-optimizer/
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/jcs_optimizer/
Links
Get John’s storytelling tip sheet: https://www.johncsaunders.com/storytelling

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25 min
October 19, 2023#56: Improvisational Leadership with Joel Zeff
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Joel Zeff creates energy. His spontaneous humor and vital messages have thrilled audiences for almost 25 years. As a national workplace expert, speaker, author and humorist, Joel captivates audiences with a unique blend of hilarious improvisational comedy and essential ideas on work and life. He has shared his experience and insight on collaboration, leadership, change, communication, innovation, fun and passion at more than 2,500 events. His book, Make the Right Choice: Creating a Positive, Innovative and Productive Work Life is consistently listed as one of the top work/life balance books on Amazon. He has appeared on CNBC and featured in the Dallas Morning News, Houston Chronicle, The Kansas City Star, and many other media outlets.
Top 3 Takeaways
Show up. Treat every leadership opportunity with the care it deserves. You never know who’s watching and what they’re taking away from your performance.
Go first. Nobody will consider you an expert before you do. Give yourself the recognition you deserve after you’ve worked diligently to develop your capabilities.
Share the love. Offering your appreciation doesn’t take a lot of time or a lot of money, but it can make a huge difference in the performance and welfare of those around you.
From the Source
“I have a job where I get a round of applause. I do my job. People clap. Most people don't have a job where they get a round of applause. It doesn't mean they don't deserve it. They absolutely do.”
“You have to perform, whether you're performing in front of a crowd of a thousand people and they're all energized and excited, or there's eight people and and stale coffee and the bad lighting, you have to perform, like there's a king in every audience because you never know where that next opportunity is coming from.”
“The first person that calls you an expert is you.”
“It's not the first time you're gonna jump on stage, you're just gonna be brilliant. It's gonna take hours and hours and hours, but every little step takes you to your destination.”
“I love making people laugh, and I love telling people what I think, and so I figured out a way that that was my career.”
“I don't know if I like the word burnout. I think it's just, people just don't feel fulfilled or rewarded. They're not happy, and they're not happy because they're not receiving that fuel that rewards them.”
“You shouldn't be doing it thinking, ‘What am I going to get out of it? What's in it for me?’ If you're helping people, it will come back to you, but that's not why you made that choice. You made that choice because you're passionate, you're energized, you're supportive, you're being a great leader, a great teammate.”
“We don't give enough positive support. We don't say enough. ‘We appreciate you. Thank you for taking that extra time. We know that we're really busy right now and you've gone above and beyond.’ It's a gift and it's the best gift you can give anybody, and it really takes little time. It takes no budget.”
Connect with Joel
Website: http://www.joelzeff.com
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/joelzeff/
Facebook: www.facebook.com/thejoelzeff

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28 min

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Lead The People is your guide to unlocking your true potential as an authentic leader. Hosted by Dr. Matt Poepsel—The Godfather of Talent Optimization—this podcast dives deep into the art and science…