Are you holding yourself back from leading at your highest level?

In this incredible conversation, I sit down with my good friend Craig Groeschel—someone I admire deeply, not just for what he’s accomplished, but for the man he is at his core. We get real about leadership—what it means to empower others, to listen, to ask better questions, and to build a culture that thrives whether you’re in the room or not.

Craig shares candidly about the lessons he’s learned over nearly 30 years leading one of the largest churches in the country and launching the YouVersion Bible App that’s impacted millions.One of the things that really hit home in this episode is how Craig talks about the shift from thinking leadership is about you to realizing it’s about what happens when you’re not there.

We break down how great leaders give authority, not just tasks, and how that’s the key to developing other leaders rather than creating followers. And yes, we go into the hard stuff—the criticism, the self-doubt, the moments where you feel like playing it safe. Craig doesn’t shy away from those moments, and neither do I in this conversation.

 We also talk about something that’s been huge for me this year—surrender. Craig shares what it really means to give up control where it’s not ours to begin with, and why trusting God with the things we can’t shape frees us to lead with greater courage and faith. This episode isn’t about theory—it’s about real tools you can put into practice starting today.

Here’s what you’ll take away from this episode:If this conversation moves you the way it did me, do yourself a favor—share it, take action on it, and let it change the way you lead. Max out your life, my friends!

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