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Upali interviews Anusheh, who began practicing The Mind Illuminated in order to improve her anxiety.  While it did help, it was a more convoluted path than she had been expecting.  One topic she and Upali talk about is the idea that striving is actually helpful, in that it causes you to burn out enough that you stop doing it, which is the route to good practice.  Anusheh also talks about the transition from lusting after enlightenment -- "future happiness" -- with the focusing on what happiness could look like in the present moment.  

"Rejecting your experience right now takes a lot of energy!"

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