Let's Talk Wellness Now

Dr. Deb 0:04

Today on let's Talk Wellness now, we're diving into the most cutting edge and misunderstood frontiers in chronic illness treatment. Induced native Phage therapy, or INPT and induced native microbial therapy. My guest is Dr. David Jarrigan, one of the country's most innovative minds in biologic and bioregulatory medicine. Dr. Jaragan is widely known for his pioneering work in the treatment resistant Lyme disease and chronic infections and for pushing the boundaries of what's possible when we stop fighting the body and instead learn how to regulate it. He is the inventor of multiple advanced diagnostic and therapeutic technologies including biospectral emission sequencing, matrix interface testing, chrono quantum testing, and most recently INPT and inmt, technologies that aim to activate the body's own native intelligence to restore balance and eliminate chronic infection. Dr. Jaragan is the author of five books, including the best selling Beating Lyme Disease and trained extensively in Europe, Biologic Medicine and under Thomas Rao at the Paracelsus Clinic in Switzerland. His work challenges the conventional infectious disease model and raises an important question. What if chronic illness persists not because we haven't killed enough pathogens, but because we haven't restored regulation? This is going to be a fascinating and paradigm shifting conversation. But before we dive in, let me remind you this podcast is about empowering you with knowledge to make the best choices for your health. So grab your tea or coffee and let's talk Wellness Now. So for those of you who have heard me before, you're going to recognize my voice is a little froggy today. I've been fighting a little laryngitis for the past couple of weeks. So forgive me for my voice sounding a little bit off. You may see me drink a little bit on this episode just to kind of moisten my voice. I am totally fine. I'm not sick. I am just fighting this laryngitis that just will not go away. So it is clearly telling me something. But I'm going to keep pushing forward, bringing you amazing guests like Dr. Jarrigan today and I am so excited for this conversation. For those of you who know me, I've been treating Lyme for 20 years. So this is going to be an amazing conversation for me as well as you and we are going to learn some some great things together. So right after we get back from our sponsor, we are going to bring Dr. Jaragan on and we are going to have this amazing conversation. Today's episode of let's Talk Wellness now is brought to you by Health Tech Sauna. One of my absolute favorite tools for detoxification and cellular healing. If you've followed me for a while, you know I talk often about the importance of supporting your mitochondria and removing toxins, especially if you're healing from chronic illness, mold exposure or hormonal imbalance. The HealthText sauna uses advanced full spectrum infrared technology that penetrates deeply into the body to help release stored toxins, reduce inflammation and boost circulation. All from the comfort of your own home. I personally use and recommend the HealthTech sauna in my own home because it's medical grade, low EMF and built for serious healing, not just relaxation. And right now my listeners can save $500 off their own sauna by going to healthtech health.com doctordr muth req 25 so run over there right now and get your $500 off your own sauna because healing starts with detox.

David Jernigan 4:12

All right. I'm Dr. David Jernigan, and I own the Biologic Center for Optimum health in Franklin, Tennessee. And I've been in practice for over 30 years. I shook Willie Burke Derfer's hand, if anybody knows who that is. It's kind of infamous now with some of the revelations that have happened about Lyme being bioweapon weaponized. But you know, I've been doing this probably longer than almost anybody that's still in the business in the natural realm. It chose me. I did not choose Lyme. Matter of fact, there were many times in my career that I was like, you know, cancer is easier because of the fact that everybody agrees, you know, what we're dealing with. And in the 90s, it was a whole different reality where nobody actually understood that you could have Lyme disease and not be coming from New England. I had actually the first documented case of a Lyme disease CDC positive patient that had never left the state of Kansas before. So they couldn't say that it wasn't in Kansas. And so, so she had actually been pregnant with twin boys and they were born CDC positive as well. So it is transmitted across the placenta. We know. So the history of how I did all this was in the 90s, probably 1996, probably somewhere in there. 97 with this woman. I if you go into Robin's pathology books from back then, which we all used medical doctors and everybody else studying, you know, there was basically a paragraph about Lyme disease. And on the national board tests, as you recall, it was probably like, what causes or what is bullseye rash associated with? And you had to guess Lyme disease, of course, but that was, you know, considered to be more in New England illness. And you Would never see it anywhere else. But here was this woman. I knew nothing about Lyme beyond what we had gotten taught in college, which was, like I say, next to nothing. And she would not let me stop feeding me information. I mean, you gotta remember, the Internet wasn't even hardly in existence.

Dr. Deb 6:36

Yeah.

David Jernigan 6:36

Years. I mean, it was brand new. It was supposed to be this information highway. And so I started purchasing like a lot of doctors do. Even now, they start purchasing every kind of new supplement that's supposed to work for bacteria. There was no product in those days that actually was Lyme specific. I mean, nobody was really dealing with it naturally. It was always a pharmaceutical situation and.

Dr. Deb 7:05

A very short course at that.

David Jernigan 7:06

Yeah. Two weeks of doxy in your period, whether your symptoms are gone or not. Which she'd had the two weeks of doxy, and her symptoms and her son's symptoms were not gone. And so I absolutely just purchased everything I could find. Nothing would work. I mean, I could name names of products and you would recognize them because they're still out there today. Which is kind of a sad thing that natural medicine is still riding on these things that have the most marketing.

Dr. Deb 7:37

Yeah.

David Jernigan 7:38

Sometimes the things that actually have the documented research behind it. I am a doctor of chiropractic medicine, and I specialized all these years in chronic incurable illnesses of all types. That may sound odd to a lot of people, but doctors of chiropractic medicine are trained just like a GP typically would be. The medical schools, as I understand it, got together decades ago and said, wow, if all we did was crank out general practitioners for the next 10 years, we wouldn't have still enough general practitioners to supply the demand.

Dr. Deb 8:17

Right.

David Jernigan 8:18

Everybody in medicine, in medical schools wanted to be a specialist because that's where the money was. It was easier kind of also to just focus on one part of the.

Dr. Deb 8:28

Body and specialize in that, be an expert in that one area.

David Jernigan 8:32

Yeah. So we all now have the same training. We all go through pre med. We got a bachelor's degree. I got my bachelor's degree in nutrition through Park University in Parkville, Missouri. And so, you know, when I ran out of options to purchase, I just used a technology that I developed, which was an advancement upon other technologies, but I called it bioresonance scanning. And I coined the term back in the 90s. It was a way to kind of like a sensitive test. You know, like you might think of applied kinesiology, then clinical kinesiology, then chiroplus kinesiology. Then, you know, you can just keep going with all the Advancements that were made, well, this was an advancement upon those things. So I developed, I was the first in my known world of doctors to develop a way to detect adjunctively. Obviously we can't say it's a primary diagnosis adjunctively detect the presence of given specimen. So we can say, thus, say if my test, it's highly likely you have Borrelia Burgundy for a. But I had to have the specimen on hand to be able to match what I call frequency matching to the specimen, which was a brand new concept in those days. And so I was able to detect whether or not my treatments were successful or not. This is something even now that's really difficult for doctors because antibody tests, even the most advanced ones, it's still an antibody test, it's still an immune response to an infection. And accurately. Some doctors will slam those tests saying, well, that doesn't mean you actually have the infection. That just means your body has seen it before. Which is a correct statement, kind of. So being able to detect the presence and even where in the body infections are was a way huge advancement in the 90s, for sure. It's kind of funny, I think about a conference I went to because I'm kind of jumping ahead because I ended up developing my own formula just for this woman and her children. And it worked. And I was like, wow. Their symptoms were gone. All the blood tests came back negative in those days. We were using the Igenx Western blot eventually. And the what was called a Lyme urine antigen test. I don't know if you remember that because it only decades later did I meet the owner of Igenex, Nick Harris, in person. I was like, whatever happened to the Luwahat test? Because they took it off the market after a while. Honestly, we lost the antigen and couldn't find. Find it again.

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Dr. Deb 0:01

Welcome back to another episode of Let’s Talk Wellness Now, and I’m your host, Dr. Deb, and today we’re pulling back the curtain on a topic that barely gets a whisper in conventional medicine. Chronic bladder symptoms, biofilms, and the hidden genetic drivers that keep so many women stuck in a cycle of pain, urgency, and infection that never truly resolves. My guest today is someone who is not only brilliant, but battle-tested, like myself. Dr. Kristen Ryman is a physician, a mom, and the author of Life After Lyme, a book and blueprint that has helped countless people reclaim health after complex chronic illness. After healing herself from advanced Lyme, she has spent her career helping patients recover their most vibrant, resilient selves through her Inner Flow program. Her Healing Grove podcast, her membership community, and her deep dive work on bladder biofilms and stealth pathogens. And what I love about Kristen is that she teaches from lived experience. In 2022, she suffered a stroke. And not only survived it, but rebuilt her brain, resolved lateral strabismus, restored balance, and regained her ability to multitask That journey uncovered her own genetic predisposition to clotting, the very same patterns she sees in her chronic bladder patients. And that personal revelation ultimately led to her Introducing this groundbreaking work that we’re talking about today. So let’s get into it, because bladder biofilms, clotting genetics, stealth pathogens, and real recovery is the conversation women have been needing for decades. And we’ll get started. Where did this one go? There we go. Alright, so welcome back to Let’s Talk Wellness Now. I have Dr. Kristen with me, and I am so excited to talk to her for multiple reasons. A, she’s got a fabulous story, and B, she’s an expert in a topic that nobody’s talking about, and I want to learn from her, too. So, welcome to the show.

Kristin Reihman 3:07

Thank you! I’m so happy to be here, Dr. Deb.

Dr. Deb 3:10

Thank you. Well, let’s dive right in, because we have so much to talk about, and you and I could probably talk for hours. So, let’s dive into this conversation, and tell us a little bit about yourself and how you got involved in this.

Kristin Reihman 3:23

Well, I mean, like so many people, I think, on this path, I had, had to learn it the hard way. You know, I had to find my way into a mystery illness, a complex, mysterious set of symptoms that sort of didn’t fit the… the sort of description of what, you know, normal doctors do, and even though I was a normal doctor for many years, nothing I’d been trained in could help me when I was really debilitated from Lyme disease back in 2011, 20212, 2023. And so I kind of had to crawl my way out of that, using all the resources at my disposal, which, you know, started out with a lot of ILADS stuff, you know, a lot of the International Lyme and Associated Diseases Society, resources online, found some Lyme doctors, and then my journey really quickly evolved to sort of, like, way far afield of normal Western medicine, which is what my training is in you know, I think within a year of my diagnosis, I was, like, you know, at a Klingheart conference, and learning all sort of, you know, the naturopathic approach to Lyme, and really trying to heal my body and terrain, and heal the process that had led me to become so, so ill from, you know. A little bacteria.

Dr. Deb 4:29

Yeah. Yeah, same here. Like, I’ve been an ILADS practitioner for over 20 years, and when I got sick with Lyme, I was like… how did I not realize this? And I knew I had Lyme before I even was ILADS trained, but when I got really sick and got diagnosed with MS, I never thought about Lyme or mycotoxins or any of that, because I was too busy, head down, doing what I’m doing, helping people. And I, too, had to take that step back, not just physically, but more spiritually and emotionally, and say, how did my body get this sick? Like, what was I doing, and what was I not doing? That allowed this to happen, and now look at this from a healing aspect of not just the physical side, but that spiritual-emotional side as well.

Kristin Reihman 5:13

Totally. I have the same… I have the same realization as I was coming out of it. I was like, wow, this wasn’t just about, sort of, physically what I was doing and not doing. There was something spiritual here as well for me, and I… I feel like it really was a wake-up call for me to get on the path that I’m supposed to be on, the path that I’m on now, really, which is stepping away from the whole medicine matrix model and moving into, you know, working with really complex people. Listening to their bodies, understanding intuition, understanding energy, understanding all these different pieces that doctors just aren’t trained to look at.

Dr. Deb 5:46

Right? We don’t have time to learn everything, right? Like, you have time to learn the body and the medical side of things, and that’s a whole prism of itself, but then learning the spiritual energy medicine, that’s a completely different paradigm. That’s a full-time learning aspect, and it’s so different than what we learn in conventional medicine.

Kristin Reihman 6:04

Yeah, it’s a complete health system. Like, it’s a complete healthcare system.

Dr. Deb 6:10

Yes, and nobody takes it that seriously, but I, for myself, I’ve been spiritual healing for decades, and it wasn’t until I got really sick that I dived deeper into that and looked at what is it in this world that I’m owning, what belongs to generational things that were brought to me from childbirth and other generations in my family that I’m carrying their old wounds. And how do I clear some of that so that it’s not still following me? And then how do I help my kids so that they don’t have to carry what I brought forth? And it’s just… a lot of people, that may sound crazy, but that’s the kind of stuff that we need to be looking at if we want to truly heal.

Kristin Reihman 6:54

Yeah, and I think it’s also, it’s inspiring, you know, because when people… and I would tell this to my patients with Lyme and these sort of mystery illnesses, like, look, you are on this path for a reason, and this is going to teach you so much that you didn’t necessarily want to learn, but you need to learn. And this… nothing that you learn or change about your lifestyle or the way in which you move through the world is gonna make you a worse person. Like, it’s only gonna sort of up-level you. You know, it’s gonna up-level your diet, and your sleep habits, and your relationships, and your toxic thinking, like, it’s all gonna change for you to get better, and that’s… that’s a gift, really.

Dr. Deb 7:27

It really is, and I tell people the same thing. Like, we can look at this as… something that’s happening to us, or we can look at this as something that’s happening for us. And that’s how I looked at my MS diagnosis. This was happening for me, not to me. I wasn’t going to be the victim. And you have a very similar story, so tell us a little bit about your story and what kind of catapulted you into this in 2022.

Kristin Reihman 7:52

Well, by 2022, I was, like, 10 years out of my Lyme hole, and I had been seeing patients, you know, I had opened my own practice, and I was working for another company, seeing, families who have brain-injured children. I was their medical director, still am, actually. And so I was doing a patchwork of things, all of which really fed my soul. You know, all of which felt like this is, like, me, aligned with my purpose on the planet. And so, based on a lot of my thinking, I sort of figured, okay, well, I’m good now, right? Like, I’m on my path now, like, the universe is not going to send another 2×4. And then the universe sent another 2×4. And in 2022, I had an elective neck surgery. You kind of still see the little scar here for my two-level ACDF. Because I had crazy off-the-hook arm pain for, like, a year and a half that I just finally became, like, almost like it felt like I was developing fasciculations and fiery, fiery pain, and I just got the surgery, and the pain went away. But when I woke up, I was different. I didn’t have a voice. Which is a common side effect, actually, of that surgery that resolves after a few months, and in many cases, and mine did. But I also didn’t have, normal balance anymore, and my right eye turned out a little bit, and I couldn’t multitask. And my job is all about multitasking. As you know, with very complex people in front of you, you’re hearing all these pieces of their story, and you’re kind of categorizing it, and thinking about where they fit, and you’re making a plan for what to work up, and you’re making a plan for what to wait until next time. It’s like all these pieces, right? You’re in the matrix. And I… I couldn’t hold those pieces anymore. And I didn’t realize that until I went back to work a couple months after my, surgery, because my voice came back and was like, okay, well, now I’m going back to work. And then I realized, I can’t do simple math. In fact, I can’t remember what this person just said to me, unless I read my note, and I can’t remember taking that note. What is going on? And so I had a full workup, and indeed, I had some neurological deficits that didn’t show up on an MRI, so they must have been quite tiny. Possibly were even low-flow, you know, episodes during my surgery when my blood pressure drops really low with the medicines that you’re on for surgery. But I, basically had, like, a few mini strokes, and needed to recover from that. So that was sort of the… that was the 2×4 in 2022.

Dr. Deb 10:09

Wow. So, what are, what are some of the things that you learne...

Dr. DebWhat if I told you that the stomach acid medication you’re taking for heartburn is actually causing the problem it’s supposed to solve that your doctor learned virtually nothing about nutrition, despite spending 8 years in medical school.

That the very system claiming to heal you was deliberately designed over a hundred years ago by an oil tycoon, John D. Rockefeller, to create lifelong customers, not healthy people.

Last week a patient spent thousands of dollars on tests and treatments for acid reflux, only to discover she needed more stomach acid, not less. The medication keeping her sick was designed to do exactly that.

Today we’re exposing the greatest medical deception in modern history, how a petroleum empire systematically destroyed natural healing wisdom turned medicine into a profit machine. And why the treatments, keeping millions sick were engineered that way from the beginning.

This isn’t about conspiracy theories. This is a documented history that explains why you feel so lost about your own body’s needs welcome back to let’s talk wellness. Now the show where we uncover the root causes of chronic illness, explore cutting edge regenerative medicine, and empower you with the tools to heal.

I’m Dr. Deb. And today we’re diving into how the Rockefeller Medical Empire systematically destroyed natural healing wisdom and replaced it with profit driven systems that keeps you dependent on treatments instead of achieving true health.

If you or someone you love has been running to the doctor for every minor ailment, taking acid blockers that seem to make digestive problems worse, or feeling confused about basic body functions that our ancestors understood instinctively. This episode is for you. So, as usual, grab a cup of coffee, tea, or whatever helps you unwind. Settle in and let’s get started on your journey to reclaiming your health sovereignty all right. So here we are talking about the Rockefeller Medical Revolution.

Now, what if your symptoms aren’t true diagnosis, but rather the predictable result of a medical system designed over a hundred years ago to create lifelong customers instead of healthy people.

Now I learned this when I was in naturopathic school over 20 years ago.

And it hasn’t been talked about a lot until recently. Recently. People are exposing the truth about what actually happened in our medical system.

And today I want to take you back to the early 19 hundreds to understand how we lost the basic health wisdom that sustained humanity for thousands of years. Yes, I said that thousands of years. This isn’t conspiracy theory. This is documented history. That explains why you feel so lost when it comes to your own body’s needs.

You know by the turn of the 20th century. According to meridian health Clinic’s documentation.

Rockefeller controlled 90% of all petroleum refineries in America and through ownership of the Standard Oil Corporation. But Rockefeller saw an opportunity that went far beyond oil. He recognized that petrochemicals could be the foundation for a completely new medical system.

And here’s what most people don’t know. Natural and herbal medicines were very popular in America during the early 19 hundreds. According to Staywell, Copper’s historical analysis, almost one half of medical colleges and doctors in America were practicing holistic medicine, using extensive knowledge from Europe and native American traditions.

People understood that food was medicine, that the body had natural healing mechanisms, and that supporting these mechanisms was the key to health.

But there was a problem with the Rockefeller’s business plan. Natural medicines couldn’t be patented.

They couldn’t make a lot of money off of them, because they couldn’t hold a patent.

Petrochemicals, however, could be patented, could be owned, and could be sold for high profits.

So Rockefeller and Andrew Carnegie devised a systematic plan to eliminate natural medicine and replace it with petrochemical based pharmaceuticals and according to E. Richard Brown’s comprehensive academic documentation in Rockefeller, medicine men. Medicine, and capitalism in America. They employed the services of Abraham Flexner, who proceeded to visit and assess every single medical school in us and in Canada.

Within a very short time of this development, medical schools all around the us began to collapse or consolidate.

The numbers are staggering. By 1910 30 schools had merged, and 21 had closed their doors of the 166 medical colleges operating in 19 0, 4, a hundred 33 had survived by 1910 and a hundred 4 by 1915, 15 years later, only 76 schools of medicine existed in the Us. And they all followed the same curriculum.

This wasn’t just about changing medical education. According to Staywell’s copper historical analysis. Rockefeller and Carnegie influenced insurance companies to stop covering holistic treatments. Medical professionals were trained in the new pharmaceutical model and natural solutions became outdated or forgotten.

Not only that alternative healthcare practitioners who wanted to stay practicing in alternative medicine were imprisoned for doing so as documented by the potency number 710. The goal was clear, create a system where scientists would study how plants cure disease, identify which chemicals in the plants were effective and then recreate a similar but not identical chemical in the laboratory that would be patented.

E. Richard Brown’s documents. The story of how a powerful professional elite gained virtual homogeny in the western theater of healing by effectively taking control of the ethos and practice of Western medicine.

The result, according to the healthcare spending data, the United States now spends 17.6% of its Gdp on health care 4.9 trillion dollars in 2023, or 14,570 per person nearly twice as much as the average Oecd country. But it doesn’t focus on cure. But on symptoms, and thus creating recurring clients.

This systematic destruction of natural medicine explains why today’s healthcare providers often seem baffled by simple questions about nutrition why they immediately reach for a prescription medication for minor ailments, and why so many people feel disconnected from their own body’s wisdom.

We’ve been trained over 4 generations to believe that our bodies are broken, and that symptoms are diseases rather than messages, and that external interventions are always superior to supporting natural healing processes.

But here’s what they couldn’t eliminate your body’s innate wisdom. Your digestive system still functions the same way it did a hundred years ago. Your immune system still follows the same patterns. The principles of nutrition, movement and stress management haven’t changed.

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Welcome back. So I want to give you a perfect example of how Rockefeller medicine has turned natural body wisdom upside down, the treatment of acid, reflux, and heartburn.

Every single day in my practice, I see patients who’ve been taking acid blocker medications, proton pump inhibitors like Prilosec, Nexium, or Prevacid for years, not for weeks, years, and sometimes even decades. They come to me because their digestive problems are getting worse, not better. They have bloating and gas and nutrition deficiencies.

And we’re seeing many more increased food sensitivities. And here’s what’s happening. In the US, most people often attribute their digestive problems to too much stomach acid and they use medications to suppress the stomach acid.

But in fact, symptoms of chronic acid reflux, heartburn, or GERD can also be caused by too little stomach acid, a condition called hypochlorhedria. Normal stomach acid has a pH level of one to two, which is highly acidic.

Hydrochloric acid plays an important role in your digestion and your immunity. It helps to break down proteins and absorb essential nutrients, and it helps control viruses and bacteria that might otherwise infect your stomach.

But here’s the crucial part that most people don’t understand, and, according to Cleveland clinic, your stomach secretes lower amounts of hydrochloric acid. As you age.

Hypochlorhydria is more common in people over the age of 40, and even more common over the age of 65. Webmd states that the stomach acid can produce less acid as a result of aging and being 65 or older is a risk factor for developing hypochlorhydria.

We’ve been treating this in my practice for a long time. It’s 1 of the main foundations that we learn as naturopathic practitioners and as naturopathic doctors, and there are times where people need these medications, but they were designed t...

Dr. Deb 0:01

When your body speaks but no one listens, when your pain is dismissed as all in your head, when you're told it's just stress for the fifth time while your health deteriorates, you're not crazy. You're being medically gaslit. Did you know women in America are up to 30% more likely to be misdiagnosed than men? Or that when experiencing a heart attack, women are seven times more likely to be sent home from the ER? This isn't just about feeling heard, it's about survival.

Dr. Deb 0:56

And what if I told you that mysterious symptoms you've been battling for  years have real physical causes, and that you've been overlooked because of your gender?  But I'm pulling back the curtain on one of the most dangerous epidemics in healthcare,  the systemic dismissal of women's health concerns,  and what you can do to finally be seen, supported, and strong. Welcome back to Let's Talk Wellness Now, the show where we uncover the root causes of chronic  illness, explore cutting-edge regenerative medicine, and empower you with the tools to heal.  I'm Dr. Deb, and today I'm diving into medical gaslighting and the epidemic of misdiagnosis that affects millions of women.

Dr. Deb 1:41

If you or someone you have been diagnosed with that you love with a chronic condition or are struggling with unexplained neurological symptoms like fatigue, brain fog, numbness, or chronic pain, this episode is for you. So grab a cup of coffee, tea, or whatever helps you unwind and settle in. Let's get started on your journey to deeper healing.

Dr. Deb 2:03

So today's episode, Silence and Dismissed, Breaking Free from Medical Gaslighting in Women's Healthcare. What if your symptoms aren't your true diagnosis? Today, I'm exploring how women's health concerns are systemically dismissed, misdiagnosed, or undertreated in our current healthcare system. I'll reveal the shocking statistics and historical biases that have created a dangerous epidemic of medical gaslighting.

Dr. Deb 2:36

Many of you know, three years ago, I found myself on the other side of the exam table. After experiencing troubling neurological symptoms, I was diagnosed with MS. And for three years, I lived with that diagnosis, constantly wondering about my future. But recently, in June of 2024, a new MRI revealed something different.

Dr. Deb 3:06

My brain wasn't showing the progressive lesions typically of MS. Instead, my neurologist now believes I experienced post-COVID peripheral neuropathy. Crazy ride, isn't it? I have lesions in my brain. They're not progressing like MS, but they created some damage in my brain.

Dr. Deb 3:30

In October of 2024, I did a brain MRI with a researcher, Dr. Goodenow, who you guys have heard me talk about before. And after being on a protocol that he and I developed together to help my condition, my brain lesions have not only not progressed, but I have increased or grown my gray matter of my brain by 1.4, 1.5. Sorry, I got to give that little extra point in there. This is amazing because as we age, we lose gray matter.

Dr. Deb 4:01

We know that. And up until now, there's really been no way for us to show or even know if we've improved brain health or not. Well, this new MRI technology that he's utilizing has been able to document the protocol that we're doing is actually working and it is growing my brain instead of allowing my brain to shrink with age, which would typically happen.

Dr. Deb 4:30

We are stopping those lesions from progressing. MS or post-COVID peripheral neuropathy, it doesn't really matter what the name of this problem is. The lesions are there.

Dr. Deb 4:43

They're affecting my prefrontal lobe. And I am trying to prevent any consequences or any symptoms that could result of that. So what this journey has taught me is essentially the truth that I share with my patients.

Dr. Deb 4:57

True health lies not in chasing a diagnosis, but in pursuing wellness itself. You know, the statistics around women's healthcare are truly alarming. When a woman enters an emergency room with severe abdominal pain, she'll wait 33% longer than a man with identical symptoms.

Dr. Deb 5:20

Approximately 66% of women report receiving a misdiagnosis in the last two years. Think about that. Two thirds of women are being told that they have conditions they don't actually have.

Dr. Deb 5:35

While their real health issues remain untreated, and the condition that they were told they had either isn't treated at all, or they're given the wrong medication because it's the wrong diagnosis. This is not about incompetent doctors. It's about a system built on incomplete science.

Dr. Deb 5:57

Did you know until the 1990s, women were routinely excluded from medical research and clinical trials? The assumption was that the male body was representative of the human species. So why study women separately? You know, women are not small men. Their bodies function differently at a cellular level.

Dr. Deb 6:20

And even today, this knowledge gap persists. Medical textbooks still primarily focus on how diseases present in men, while women often experience entirely different symptoms. Take heart attacks.

Dr. Deb 6:34

Men typically feel crushing chest pain, while women more commonly experience fatigue and shortness of breath, or pain in the jaw, the neck, the back. And when women feel symptoms that don't match the classic male pattern, they're dismissed, as you've guessed it, anxiety or stress. You're just too overwhelmed with raising your children.

Dr. Deb 6:56

You're burning the candle at both ends. And while some of that may be true, that is not the reason for your symptoms. This misdiagnosis epidemic isn't just frustrating, it's deadly.

Dr. Deb 7:11

It leads to delayed treatments, worsening conditions, unnecessary procedures, and preventable deaths. And for conditions like endometriosis, did you know the average delay in diagnosis is 7 to 10 years? Not months, years. For autoimmune diseases, which affect women at rates up to three times higher than men, that diagnostic journey can span a decade or more.

Dr. Deb 7:42

Now we're going to take a break here and have a word from our sponsor, and we're going to be right back to talk more about medical gaslighting and its roots. Welcome back, everybody. What is medical gaslighting anyway? Well, this happens when health care providers dismiss, minimize, or psychologize physical symptoms.

Dr. Deb 8:09

It's when you're told your debilitating fatigue is just depression, your crushing chest pain is just anxiety, or you're disabling pain. It's got to be all in your head. According to recent surveys, about 72% of the millennial women report experiencing medical gaslighting.

Dr. Deb 8:35

And for women of color, the statistics are even more alarming. While research showing they face compounded biases at every level of care. But why does this happen? The roots run deep, all the way back to ancient Greece, when Hippocrates first used hysteria as a formal diagnosis.

Dr. Deb 8:58

And throughout history, women's bodies have been viewed as mysterious, unpredictable, and fundamentally flawed versions of the male body. What a crock. This bias isn't always conscious.

Dr. Deb 9:16

Even well-meaning doctors operate within a system that has trained them to view women's symptoms through a skeptical lens. And the problem is compounded by several factors. First, there's the knowledge gap.

Dr. Deb 9:30

As Dr. Mark Gordon, a leading expert in neuroinflammation has demonstrated, male and female brains respond differently to identical triggers. The same is true for hormonal systems, immune responses, and even drug metabolism. Yet most medical protocols don't account for these differences.

Dr. Deb 9:53

Second, there's time pressure. The average primary care visit lasts a little longer than you probably think, but just 17 minutes. Barely enough time to address one concern, let alone a complex constellation of symptoms that don't fit neatly into a diagnostic category.

Dr. Deb 10:15

When I see clients for the first time, we're spending well over an hour just having a conversation, and another hour in doing diagnostics in my office, so that we can understand individually what's happening with each client that we see, male or female. A far difference from the 17 minutes. Did you know that practitioners are taught that if someone complains of more than two symptoms, it must be depression or anxiety? That's how our medical system is training these days.

Dr. Deb 10:54

When I was training, it was completely different, and I was blessed to be trained by a pioneer in medicine who was trained even differently than I was, and trained at a time where we didn't have a lot of medications, we didn't have a lot of testing options, so your conversation, your history, your exam had to tell you what was going on with that client. It makes a huge difference today. This is just, I don't know, it's craziness to me at this point.

Dr. Deb 11:25

Thirdly, there's implicit biases. Studies show that healthcare providers of all genders consistently rate women's pain as less severe than men's, even when the reported pain levels are identical. Women are twice as likely to be diagnosed with mental health conditions when presenting with symptoms that suggest a physical cause.

Dr. Deb 11:53

This kind of gaslighting creates a vicious cycle. Women begin to doubt their own experiences, become hesitant to seek care, and lose trust in the medical system. They may stop adv...

Dr. Deb 0:01
When your body speaks but no one listens, when your pain is dismissed as all in your head, when you’re told it’s just stress for the fifth time while your health deteriorates, you’re not crazy. You’re being medically gaslit. Did you know women in America are up to 30% more likely to be misdiagnosed than men? Or that when experiencing a heart attack, women are seven times more likely to be sent home from the ER? This isn’t just about feeling heard, it’s about survival.

Dr. Deb 0:56
And what if I told you that mysterious symptoms you’ve been battling for  years have real physical causes, and that you’ve been overlooked because of your gender?  But I’m pulling back the curtain on one of the most dangerous epidemics in healthcare,  the systemic dismissal of women’s health concerns,  and what you can do to finally be seen, supported, and strong. Welcome back to Let’s Talk Wellness Now, the show where we uncover the root causes of chronic  illness, explore cutting-edge regenerative medicine, and empower you with the tools to heal.  I’m Dr. Deb, and today I’m diving into medical gaslighting and the epidemic of misdiagnosis that affects millions of women.

Dr. Deb 1:41
If you or someone you have been diagnosed with that you love with a chronic condition or are struggling with unexplained neurological symptoms like fatigue, brain fog, numbness, or chronic pain, this episode is for you. So grab a cup of coffee, tea, or whatever helps you unwind and settle in. Let’s get started on your journey to deeper healing.

Dr. Deb 2:03
So today’s episode, Silence and Dismissed, Breaking Free from Medical Gaslighting in Women’s Healthcare. What if your symptoms aren’t your true diagnosis? Today, I’m exploring how women’s health concerns are systemically dismissed, misdiagnosed, or undertreated in our current healthcare system. I’ll reveal the shocking statistics and historical biases that have created a dangerous epidemic of medical gaslighting.

Dr. Deb 2:36
Many of you know, three years ago, I found myself on the other side of the exam table. After experiencing troubling neurological symptoms, I was diagnosed with MS. And for three years, I lived with that diagnosis, constantly wondering about my future. But recently, in June of 2024, a new MRI revealed something different.

Dr. Deb 3:06
My brain wasn’t showing the progressive lesions typically of MS. Instead, my neurologist now believes I experienced post-COVID peripheral neuropathy. Crazy ride, isn’t it? I have lesions in my brain. They’re not progressing like MS, but they created some damage in my brain.

Dr. Deb 3:30
In October of 2024, I did a brain MRI with a researcher, Dr. Goodenow, who you guys have heard me talk about before. And after being on a protocol that he and I developed together to help my condition, my brain lesions have not only not progressed, but I have increased or grown my gray matter of my brain by 1.4, 1.5. Sorry, I got to give that little extra point in there. This is amazing because as we age, we lose gray matter.

Dr. Deb 4:01
We know that. And up until now, there’s really been no way for us to show or even know if we’ve improved brain health or not. Well, this new MRI technology that he’s utilizing has been able to document the protocol that we’re doing is actually working and it is growing my brain instead of allowing my brain to shrink with age, which would typically happen.

Dr. Deb 4:30
We are stopping those lesions from progressing. MS or post-COVID peripheral neuropathy, it doesn’t really matter what the name of this problem is. The lesions are there.

Dr. Deb 4:43
They’re affecting my prefrontal lobe. And I am trying to prevent any consequences or any symptoms that could result of that. So what this journey has taught me is essentially the truth that I share with my patients.

Dr. Deb 4:57
True health lies not in chasing a diagnosis, but in pursuing wellness itself. You know, the statistics around women’s healthcare are truly alarming. When a woman enters an emergency room with severe abdominal pain, she’ll wait 33% longer than a man with identical symptoms.

Dr. Deb 5:20
Approximately 66% of women report receiving a misdiagnosis in the last two years. Think about that. Two thirds of women are being told that they have conditions they don’t actually have.

Dr. Deb 5:35
While their real health issues remain untreated, and the condition that they were told they had either isn’t treated at all, or they’re given the wrong medication because it’s the wrong diagnosis. This is not about incompetent doctors. It’s about a system built on incomplete science.

Dr. Deb 5:57
Did you know until the 1990s, women were routinely excluded from medical research and clinical trials? The assumption was that the male body was representative of the human species. So why study women separately? You know, women are not small men. Their bodies function differently at a cellular level.

Dr. Deb 6:20
And even today, this knowledge gap persists. Medical textbooks still primarily focus on how diseases present in men, while women often experience entirely different symptoms. Take heart attacks.

Dr. Deb 6:34
Men typically feel crushing chest pain, while women more commonly experience fatigue and shortness of breath, or pain in the jaw, the neck, the back. And when women feel symptoms that don’t match the classic male pattern, they’re dismissed, as you’ve guessed it, anxiety or stress. You’re just too overwhelmed with raising your children.

Dr. Deb 6:56
You’re burning the candle at both ends. And while some of that may be true, that is not the reason for your symptoms. This misdiagnosis epidemic isn’t just frustrating, it’s deadly.

Dr. Deb 7:11
It leads to delayed treatments, worsening conditions, unnecessary procedures, and preventable deaths. And for conditions like endometriosis, did you know the average delay in diagnosis is 7 to 10 years? Not months, years. For autoimmune diseases, which affect women at rates up to three times higher than men, that diagnostic journey can span a decade or more.

Dr. Deb 7:42
Now we’re going to take a break here and have a word from our sponsor, and we’re going to be right back to talk more about medical gaslighting and its roots. Welcome back, everybody. What is medical gaslighting anyway? Well, this happens when health care providers dismiss, minimize, or psychologize physical symptoms.

Dr. Deb 8:09
It’s when you’re told your debilitating fatigue is just depression, your crushing chest pain is just anxiety, or you’re disabling pain. It’s got to be all in your head. According to recent surveys, about 72% of the millennial women report experiencing medical gaslighting.

Dr. Deb 8:35
And for women of color, the statistics are even more alarming. While research showing they face compounded biases at every level of care. But why does this happen? The roots run deep, all the way back to ancient Greece, when Hippocrates first used hysteria as a formal diagnosis.

Dr. Deb 8:58
And throughout history, women’s bodies have been viewed as mysterious, unpredictable, and fundamentally flawed versions of the male body. What a crock. This bias isn’t always conscious.

Dr. Deb 9:16
Even well-meaning doctors operate within a system that has trained them to view women’s symptoms through a skeptical lens. And the problem is compounded by several factors. First, there’s the knowledge gap.

Dr. Deb 9:30
As Dr. Mark Gordon, a leading expert in neuroinflammation has demonstrated, male and female brains respond differently to identical triggers. The same is true for hormonal systems, immune responses, and even drug metabolism. Yet most medical protocols don’t account for these differences.

Dr. Deb 9:53
Second, there’s time pressure. The average primary care visit lasts a little longer than you probably think, but just 17 minutes. Barely enough time to address one concern, let alone a complex constellation of symptoms that don’t fit neatly into a diagnostic category.

Dr. Deb 10:15
When I see clients for the first time, we’re spending well over an hour just having a conversation, and another hour in doing diagnostics in my office, so that we can understand individually what’s happening with each client that we see, male or female. A far difference from the 17 minutes. Did you know that practitioners are taught that if someone complains of more than two symptoms, it must be depression or anxiety? That’s how our medical system is training these days.

Dr. Deb 10:54
When I was training, it was completely different, and I was blessed to be trained by a pioneer in medicine who was trained even differently than I was, and trained at a time where we didn’t have a lot of medications, we didn’t have a lot of testing options, so your conversation, your history, your exam had to tell you what was going on with that client. It makes a huge difference today. This is just, I don’t know, it’s craziness to me at this point.

Dr. Deb 11:25
Thirdly, there’s implicit biases. Studies show that healthcare providers of all genders consistently rate women’s pain as less severe than men’s, even when the reported pain levels are identical. Women are twice as likely to be diagnosed with mental health conditions when presenting with symptoms that suggest a physical cause.

Dr. Deb 11:53
This kind of gaslighting creates a vicious cycle. Women begin to doubt their own experiences, become hesitant to seek care, and lose trust in the medical system. They may stop advocating for themselves, or conversely become labeled as difficult patients when they push for answers, and oftentimes these women then are dismissed from the practice because they’re thought of as being non-compliant.

Dr. Deb 12:23
My own journey through the healthcare maze taught me lessons I now use to help thousands of women reclaim their health. When my brain scan first showed lesions, I was quickly diagnosed with MS, but unlike many women, I didn’t just accept that diagnosis and the treatment plan that came with it. As both a patient and a practitioner, I knew that healing requires looking at the whole picture, not just at a label.

Dr. Deb 12:52
I investigated every possibility that could explain my symptoms. Mold exposure, chronic infection, hormonal collapse, mitochondrial dysfunction, and I focused on healing while continuing to seek answers, and today my brain is actually reversing in age with improving gray matter and a clear sign that my approach is working. Take Maria, a 42-year-old executive who came to me after seeing eight different doctors for crushing fatigue, brain fog, and weight gain.

Dr. Deb 13:26
She’d been told she had depression, prescribed antidepressants, and when those didn’t work, she was told to reduce her stress level. By the time she found me, her thyroid was barely functioning. She had significant adrenal dysfunction, and testing revealed multiple chronic infections.

Dr. Deb 13:46
Stories like Maria’s and mine repeat themselves daily in my practice, and women struggling with the autoimmune conditions, inexplicable pain, and debilitating fatigue, or mysterious neurological symptoms who’ve been told repeatedly that their labs are quote-unquote normal, and they should just learn to live with it. But here’s what I’ve learned. When we truly listen to women, when we respect their intuitive knowledge of their own bodies, when we investigate deeply enough, we almost always find answers, and with those answers come solutions, healing, and hope.

Dr. Deb 14:30
So what’s the solution to this systemic problem? It requires change at multiple levels, but it begins with empowering women to advocate for themselves effectively. First, trust your body. Your symptoms are real, and you deserve care that acknowledges that reality.

Dr. Deb 14:51
As Dr. Daniel Amen has demonstrated through thousands of brain scans, your mental and physical symptoms have psychological origins that can be identified and treated when we look deeply enough. Second, become your own health advocate. Track your symptoms meticulously, noting patterns and triggers, and the specific impact on your daily functioning.

Dr. Deb 15:17
When you visit a healthcare practitioner, bring this data with you. It’s harder to dismiss documented patterns than general complaints. Third, don’t go alone if possible.

Dr. Deb 15:30
Studies show that having an advocate present during medical appointments significantly increases the likelihood of being taken seriously, and this person can take notes, ask follow-up questions, and provide confirmation of your experiences. Fourth, be prepared to be persistent. If you’re not getting answers, seek second, third, or even fourth opinions, and look for practitioners who specialize in functional medicine, integrative approaches, or women’s health specifically.

Dr. Deb 16:05
Fifth, know that you have options beyond conventional medicine. While I believe in working with traditional healthcare when appropriate, complementary approaches like functional medicine can offer solutions where conventional approaches have failed. At my practice, I see women daily who’ve been medically gaslit for years before finding us.

Dr. Deb 16:22
Our approach begins with comprehensive testing, not just the standard panels that only flag disease once it’s advanced, but functional testing that can identify patterns of dysfunction before they become pathological. I look at the whole picture, hormones, micronutrients, toxin exposure, gut health, inflammation markers, genetic predispositions, and more. My team and I understand the symptoms in one system often originate in another, and that healing requires addressing root causes rather than merely suppressing symptoms, and oftentimes it requires a team of experts to look at your case.

Dr. Deb 17:09
The future I envision is one where women don’t have to fight to be believed, where their symptoms are investigated with the same rigor as men’s, and where their intuitive knowledge about their own bodies is respected rather than dismissed. This isn’t just about fairness. It’s about saving lives.

Dr. Deb 17:26
It’s about preventing the needless suffering that occurs when diagnosis comes too late. It’s about creating a healthcare system that serves everyone equally. It’s about bringing women back to the bargaining table, about having a say in how they feel.

Dr. Deb 17:43
It’s about partnering with women to get the best out of their healthcare that they possibly can. It’s about providing a system of medicine that works for all of us, not for one of us. Thank you for joining me today on Let’s Talk Wellness Now.

Dr. Deb 18:02
If this episode resonated with you, share it with someone who could benefit from learning about medically gaslighting and how to advocate for better healthcare. Remember, wellness isn’t just about feeling good. It’s about thriving in every area of your life.

Dr. Deb 18:19
If you’re ready to explore how functional medicine and root cause healing can help you overcome challenges of misdiagnosis, visit us at serenityhealthcarecenter.com or reach out to me through our social media channels. Until next time, I’m Dr. Deb reminding you to take care of your body, mind and spirit. Be well and I’ll see you on the next episode.

Dr. Deb 18:44
And do me one favor. If this episode resonates with you or you know somebody that’s being medically gaslit, please share it, like and subscribe to our channel. It really helps us grow and spread the word of integrative medicine and root cause medicine.

Dr. Deb 19:04
Thank you for sharing your time with me today. As always, we’ll see you and be well.

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Dr. Deb 0:01

Welcome to Let’s Talk wellness now. I’m your host, Dr Deb Muth, and today we’re diving into one of my favorite healing tools, infrared sauna therapy and how it’s transforming detox, longevity and recovery. If you’ve ever struggled with fatigue, brain fog or stubborn inflammation. You’ve probably heard me talk about how toxins can overload your body systems, but what if you could accelerate your healing, improve circulation and support your mitochondria, all while still sitting in a warm, peaceful environment that feels like self care instead of like a treatment. My guest today, Tiffany Dubeck, from health tech sauna, is here to help us understand how this powerful technology works and why not all Infrared Saunas are created equal. We’ll talk about the science behind full spectrum infrared therapy, why detoxing through skin is one of the safest, most effective ways to reduce toxic burden, how to choose the right sauna for your home or practice, and how you can use this therapy to support longevity hormones and brain health. So grab a cup of tea, settle in, and let’s explore how heat can heal with Tiffany Dubeck from Health Tech saunas, Tiffany, Welcome to Let’s Talk wellness now. Can you start sharing a little bit about your background, how you got involved with health tech sauna,

Tiffany Dubeck 1:34

working with high tech health I’m part of the Science Advisory Board, medical advisory board here, and we, you know, we’re very research based company, and it’s just perfectly in alignment with what I love to talk about, what I love to educate about, what I believe in. You know, the natural healing capability of the body and the Saunas are, yeah, just perfect for that. So I head up the practitioner program here, I like to educate our customers with the sauna usage. We do a lot with the science and the data. And, yeah, it’s, it’s amazing. It’s the best company out there. So

Dr. Deb 2:12

that’s, I love the health of tech sauna. I’ve had one for well over Oh, I’m going to age myself probably two decades, at least 20 years, and I love my sauna. I’ve never had a problem with it ever. That’s what makes it so awesome, and it’s so easy to put together.

Tiffany Dubeck 2:29

Yes, I know. And you know, a lot of people, I didn’t even realize this when I got into practice, how easy it is to incorporate an infrared sauna into your home. I you know, I would just use it at the gym, or there was different, you know, health facilities I would go to, but, yeah, I didn’t even think of having it in my home till I was like, you know, actively in my own practice, and, and educating people about that. And, and, yeah, and I love, love it. It’s so convenient. It’s amazing. Doesn’t use up a lot of electricity, and you’re able to be more consistent with it, so then you can get all those wonderful benefits.

Dr. Deb 3:09

Absolutely. You know, for those who’ve never experienced it, what exactly is an infrared sauna, and how does it differ from a traditional sauna?

Tiffany Dubeck 3:19

Good question. Yeah. People are very familiar with the traditional saunas, the finished style saunas. It’s different because it uses a different method of heat delivery. So traditional saunas will use convection. It’s relying upon the air temperature to get really, really hot, so anywhere between 170 usually 200

Dr. Deb 3:43

degrees, like our oven, like a convection, like our oven, right?

Tiffany Dubeck 3:49

Exactly, yep. And then that’s going to indirectly heat the body, raising the core body temperature, and then you get those healing benefits with an infrared it’s unique because it has a direct method of heat. It uses radiant heat, and it has the ability to directly penetrate, interact with the water molecules, raise our core body temperature, and then leads to all of those benefits. So it’s a wavelength from the sun, right? We get it from the sun, the wonderful healing light from the sun. This is invisible, but we experience it as heat. So if you go outside on a cold day, but the sun is out, the warmth that you feel on your skin, that’s the infrared, and it I like to use the comparison, like if you’re outside on a really hot summer day, and it’s 100 degrees outside, and you go in the shade, that’s like a traditional sauna. If you step out into the sun, that is infrared, right? And you experience it as a lot it’s a lot hotter, um. You get those benefits faster. Core body temperature is raising quicker and but you’re able to use them in the sauna at much lower temperatures to get those same benefits. So radiant heat, it accounts for about 50 or 60 degrees. So if you’re using the infrared sauna at 130 it’s pretty comparable to a traditional sauna at, you know, 171

Unknown Speaker 5:25

80 degrees.

Dr. Deb 5:27

That’s a huge difference. I love that the the room temperature in the sauna doesn’t get that hot, like you can be in there at 140 degrees, and it doesn’t feel that hot. And if it does get a little warm, you just kick the door open just a smidge, let a little bit of cool air come in to calm the temperature down a little bit so you can tolerate it, but it’s still completely penetrating your body. And I

Tiffany Dubeck 5:50

love that, yes, and you’re getting that infrared exposure within two minutes of starting your sauna. So some people like to get it in right away. We recommend heating it up to around 100 degrees and then getting in it’s you use it differently as well than a traditional sauna, but yeah, so much more comfortable. You’re not your lungs aren’t feeling all that heat and feeling very uncomfortable. I love to crack my door open to every once in a while, but we have a unique feature in our saunas, the active ventilation, the fresh air fan. So when you’re using that, it’s decreasing the carbon dioxide build up by 46% and it’s really eliminating those symptoms of feeling stuffy or claustrophobic that you usually get in the sauna. So again, it’s just however it’s like to make it more comfortable and however people can use it more consistently to get those long term benefits that are associated with sauna therapy.

Dr. Deb 6:48

Yeah, I love that. Can you explain? How does the infrared light support the actual detox pathway on a cellular level?

Unknown Speaker 6:56

Yeah, great question too.

Tiffany Dubeck 7:00

It uses has the unique ability to mobilize toxins out of the fat cells and directly out of the body. So you’re going to get a lot of, you know, cellular health benefits. That way, you’re removing a huge toxic load out of the body. It’s very effective for that. And I think, you know, really just raising the core body temperature is going to create some physiological adaptations in the body. When you use your sauna, consistently, over time, you’re going to become more heat acclimated, and then you’ll get the production of what’s called Heat Shock proteins. And these are like the special helper proteins in our body. They decline with age, and when you use sauna, you’re getting more of a production of them. And they’re, they’re going to go in and repair and fix any damage to the cell, so, so that it can’t lead to, you know, so it doesn’t lead to disease. So you get, yeah, using your sauna more consistently, you’re getting that, that great protection for your cells by heat shock protein production. One of the

Dr. Deb 8:08

things a lot of our clients ask is, what happens to me if I go in the sauna and I don’t really sweat?

Tiffany Dubeck 8:16

Yes, so that’s one of the other things. That’s one of the we have that happen a lot a lot of people don’t sweat easily, or they have a really high toxic load in their body, so it takes time, and that’s again, associated with becoming heat acclimated. So that happens by using the sauna consistently, you know, repetitively, over time, and one of those adaptations that happen, the changes in the body that leads to the benefits, are sweating more and at lower temperatures. So when you become heat acclimated, you will notice you will sweat more as the body becomes more efficient at cooling itself down. So it takes time. You know, some people have a condition, I guess, where they aren’t able to sweat, and those we usually don’t recommend, you know, in a sauna, or you work with the healthcare practitioner to address the root cause of that. But for general population, being consistent in your usage, you will notice you’ll be more effective at detoxing, and then you’re getting that huge load of, you know, the heavy metals, the arsenic, the mercury, cadmium, lead, a lot of the phthalates that we’re exposed to, the plasticizers,

Unknown Speaker 9:34

persistent organic pollutants. I mean, all the things, right?

Dr. Deb 9:37

85,000 chemicals that we can count to date, right?

Tiffany Dubeck 9:42

I think the EPA reported there’s like 20,000 of those that can’t be really readily eliminated from our body, because we don’t have those efficient like the detox pathways for them, so they just linger in our cells, mostly in our fat tissues, right? And that’s why Saunas are so great. Because they mobilize the toxins out of the fat cell, out of the body, and there’s data that shows where they tested that right? The bus studies, I don’t know if you’ve heard of that, the blood, urine and sweat studies, and there will be really high measurable levels of those heavy metals and toxins in the sweat that don’t show up in blood or urine. So sweating is extremely effective, and I should say to passive sweating through like the infrared sauna, because you’re not using you’re not making the byproducts of like that. You wouldn’t use it or make an exercise. So it’s even more effective at ridding the body of that high toxic ...

Dr. Deb 0:00Did you know that the average American child today consumes over 3000 food additives, chemicals that were never tested for long term safety, or that since the 1980s childhood chronic disease rates have tripled, while pharmaceutical profits have grown 1,000%

Dr. Deb 0:19for 25 years, integrative medicine practitioners have been sounding the alarm while being dismissed as fringe and quacks. Well, now that fringe movement has reached the highest level of government our White House,

Dr. Deb 0:34what if everything you’ve been told about maintaining your family’s health has been influenced by the same corporations profiting from your illness. Today, we’re pulling back the curtain on one of the most controversial health crusades in American history. This is not a story about left versus right. It’s about life versus profit from fringe to mainstream, how integrative medicine’s 25 year battle for health and freedom reached the White House. Welcome back to Let’s Talk wellness now this show where we uncover the root causes of chronic illness, explore cutting edge regenerative medicine and empower you with the tools to heal. I’m Dr dab, and today we’re diving into the hidden corporate forces corrupting our health care system and the controversial efforts by leaders like Robert F Kennedy Jr to make America healthy again.

Dr. Deb 1:32So grab your cup of tea or coffee, and let’s settle in for an amazing discussion.

Dr. Deb 1:39You know, I remember when I started practicing, people would come into the office with one blood pressure medicine, maybe an allergy medicine, and they didn’t have a lot of medical interventions. Now I see people on three to five blood pressure medicines, often three to five other medications. And you have to start to wonder, Is this our environment doing this, where we just can’t control things the way we used to? Today,

Dr. Deb 2:12we’re going to talk about this hidden health crisis, because it’s really become a major problem,

Dr. Deb 2:22the health crisis hidden in plain sight. What if your symptoms aren’t your true diagnosis? What if the rising tide of chronic disease in America isn’t just bad luck or genetics, but the result of systemic changes to our food water and our environment.

Dr. Deb 2:42Today, I want to take you behind the headlines and political noise to examine something that affects every single one of us, the forces shaping our health landscape and the controversial figures who’s now at the helm of our nation’s health policy. Let me start with something personal.

Dr. Deb 3:03In my practice at Serenity Healthcare Center, I’ve seen disturbing patterns over the last two decades, children and adults coming in with complex, multi system conditions that simply weren’t common. When I first started practicing, we would see one or two people with these type of symptoms. Now I see five to 10 people with the same type of symptoms. Autoimmune conditions that used to be rare are now commonplace. Developmental delays that once affected one in 10,000 children now impact one and 36

Dr. Deb 3:43and one of my grandchildren is one of those children. As a functional medicine practitioner, I’m trained to ask why, why are we seeing these dramatic shifts? What environmental factors might be driving this surge in chronic conditions? That’s exactly what Robert F Kennedy, Jr has been asking for years as an environmental advocate and now as Secretary of Health and Human Services, he has the power to do something about it. His make America healthy again. Initiative isn’t just a catchy slogan, it’s a fundamental challenge to how we think about health and disease in America,

Dr. Deb 4:26I need to be clear about something important. What’s happening now with the Make America healthy again movement isn’t new to those of us in integrative medicine for over 25 years, practitioners like myself and pioneers like Dr Mark Hyman, Dr Perlmutter and the late Dr Bradstreet, along with many others that you would never recognize because they worked in the trenches, witnessing these disturbing health trends and speaking out about them, but not in a public arena.

Dr. Deb 5:00Speaking out about them, one on one with the clients they touched every single day. That’s precisely why so many of us have stepped away from conventional medicine and entered integrative practice. We saw this broken system and wanted to create real change, and I’m really excited today to see Dr Casey means starting to speak out at a very powerful level on what’s been happening with the food industry, what’s been happening with our government and our pharmaceutical companies. It is a brave thing that she is doing, because many who have tried to do what she has done have lost their licenses, lost their livelihood and been turned away by their own families.

Dr. Deb 5:50We recognize that our medical system has designed, was designed to manage symptoms rather than address root causes. We see how pharmaceutical interventions were being prioritized over lifestyle changes. We understood the powerful influence that food companies chemical manufacturers and pharmaceutical Giants had on both medical education and on health care policy, and for 25 years, we were often dismissed as alternative or fringe, but now many of the same concerns we’ve been voicing for decades are being elevated to the highest levels of government policy. This isn’t a partisan issue. Chronic disease doesn’t care if you vote red or blue, the companies profiting from both illness and treatment don’t distinguish between conservatives and liberals when marketing their products, they market to the whole this is about something much deeper. It’s about how corporate influence has shaped our very understanding of what it means to be healthy. Take our food system. For instance, since the 1950s we’ve witnessed a complete transformation in how food is produced, processed and preserved. Over 10,000 chemicals are now permitted in our food supply, many without rigorous safety testing or any safety testing. For that matter, big food companies have engineered products specifically designed to bypass our natural satiety signals, creating what scientists call hyper palatable combinations that trigger addiction like responses in our brains.

Dr. Deb 7:39Is it any wonder we’re facing unprecedented rates of obesity, diabetes and metabolic dysfunction, and what has come to save the day for these food companies that have created these chemicals that have made us obese and made us have conditions that don’t allow us to lose weight? Well, of course, it’s GLP one, it is the best weight loss product on the market ever that costs $1,300 a month in this country, but yet in Europe, it costs $88

Dr. Deb 8:15a month. And we’re not just pushing this for adults. They want to approve this medication for six year olds. That means that we have six year olds that are obese enough that they’re having medical conditions like an adult, and they will need to take an injection every week for the rest of their lives to control their obesity and their diabetes, one that our pharmaceutical companies and our food industries created. Do you see the vicious cycle that goes round and round? They’re all in this together, making money together, off of all of us, and it’s time we take this back and join this movement to make ourselves and our country healthy again.

Dr. Deb 9:06Similarly, our pharmaceutical industry has evolved from producing life saving antibiotics and emergency medicines to marketing daily medications that manage but rarely cure any chronic illness and create many other side effects that you’re going to need another medication to manage. The business model here is clear. There’s more profit in treatments than there are in cures.

Dr. Deb 9:35So this brings us to Kennedy’s controversial appointment and the firestorm it has created in both public health circles and the media Love him or hate him, Kennedy has forced us to confront uncomfortable questions about the intersection of corporate power and public health.

Dr. Deb 9:55Robert F Kennedy Jr’s make America healthy again initiative.

Dr. Deb 10:00Of represents one of the most ambitious attempts to reshape American health policy in decades. He’s requested a $500 million boost in the federal health budget specifically earmarked for nutrition education and promoting healthier lifestyles, a dramatic shift from the traditional focus on disease management and pharmaceutical interventions, Kennedy has already begun pressuring major food companies to eliminate artificial dyes linked to behavioral issues in children. I’ve known this for a long time. When I started as a naturopath, I worked with a pioneer, Dr kanetsky, who did allergy testing in his office, I had the pleasure of meeting some of the most exquisite physicians in this industry that were doing cutting edge care back in the early 2000s

Dr. Deb 10:54Dr Kay had known about what food dice did to children for at least 10 years prior to that, and we used to allergy test kids in that office, where we would give them a dye underneath their tongue, and we would watch them to see what happened, and their behaviors completely changed. There were people that would lose their complete ability to focus. Dr Doris Rapp has written and documented allergy testing in her office for decades, and there’s one story that she tells that I will never forget, and it was a teenage boy who suffered from depression, and she was allergy testing him in her office, and she gave him citrus, and when she gave him this food that obviously was not completely natural, he would curl up in a ball and he would cry, and he would talk about committing suicide, and 10 minutes later, she would give him a different dilution, and he was back to normal, just like I’m talki...

D. Deb 0:00Yeah, so today’s episode on Let’s Talk wellness. Now we are diving into the world of mold. Many of you have heard me speak about mold in the past. It has been a pillar in my own recovery of Ms. And today, I want you to meet a dear friend of mine. Her name is Andrea, and she is part of respirari Labs, but she also has been a consultant in the past for people struggling with mycotoxin illness. Mycotoxin illness is a tragedy, as far as I’m concerned, because it is so under diagnosed and misdiagnosed, because it’s just not well known by a lot of practitioners, certainly in the traditional world, but in the alternative world, it is a newer disorder that people are learning about, and not everyone is extremely knowledgeable about. And I think it really needs to be the forefront of a lot of these undiagnosed or misdiagnosed cases. We see a lot of mycotoxin illness at the

Dr. Deb 1:04root cause of neurological conditions, ALS, MS, Parkinson’s dementia, Alzheimer’s disease, and if not treated and addressed, these disorders will not improve and sometimes end very tragically for us. So I want to introduce you guys to my dear friend Andrea today, and she will be a wealth of knowledge for you and hopefully put some of your fears at risk about remediation of your home, but also probably bring up some things that you never knew about, mycotoxin, illness.

AndreaThank you for those, those very kind words. It’s It’s wild that as I hear stories like yours and mine, so often it’s it’s wild how similar they are. And so these topics are so important to bring awareness to, and I appreciate the work that you’re doing to do that. So thank you for for being here and for letting me be here with you.

Dr. DebOh, you are so welcome. So tell us your story. How did this happen to you?

Andrea 2:05Got it? So it’s all, it’s all very ironic. In 2017 we were living in a rental home in Robbinsdale, and we were renting as we were kind of getting out of debt. I was a pre med student and starting up my family with my husband, who I who I met later in life, and our two year old daughter, contracted lead poisoning from our rental home. She She was chewing on a window sill, and I thought I bet there’s lead paint on that window sill. How we tested the window sill, sure enough, there was lead paint. Tested my little girl and she had lead poisoning. We weren’t financially ready to buy a house, but we qualified for just enough. My mom is incredibly smart. She’s been a realtor almost 50 years, and she helped us find a home. And so we found a home that we liked and a modest home, but clean and built in the 90s, so no lead paint. And we had, you know, a general inspection, and it didn’t really raise any red flags. And we moved in. So we moved into the home end of October of 2017 two months, almost two months to the date, later, our five year old dog died. She developed a very sudden neurological disorder. It was very rapid and and it was at the time we didn’t, you know, put pieces together, but it’s interesting that I, I somehow knew it was environmental, like I can’t, but I, but I didn’t put the pieces together. Anyways, my Upon moving in, my health started to decline, but as as it is for so many women,

Andrea 3:54I didn’t connect the dots, because I just had my third child. He was nine months, and I thought, well, maybe this is postpartum. I was experiencing migraines, and that wasn’t typical for me, without being pregnant, and my ears started to ring, I started to experience anxiety that was not typical for me, and it just kind of snowballed from there. And eventually I went into my doctor and I said, I’m having anxiety that’s not typical for me and and for me to go see a doctor over that, if you knew me, you would have to know it was pretty extreme. It was to the point where I couldn’t go to the grocery store and and so it just kind of got worse from there. And then it progressed into migraines that would last months at a time, and my my worst migraine lasted three months day and night. I mean, three consecutive months day and night. And it was so severe that at the time, my husband had to hide the guns in the house because I was I was suffering, and I was begging him to help me die. I mean, if you’ve ever had a migraine, maybe you can understand this. But on top of these migraines that I couldn’t control, I was confused, and

Andrea 5:10I couldn’t remember my children’s names. At one point, I looked at my oldest son and thought he was my baby brother. There was one day my husband came home and I, I wanted to say to him, did you see the email from Grace’s preschool teacher? And I couldn’t find my words. And finally, I just sat there and started crying. And my sweet, loving, patient husband said, Are you asking if I saw the email from Miss Annette? And I said, Yes, yes, that’s it. So I, you know, we made so many doctor visits and in the ER, and we kept saying to these doctors, you know, she’s, I’ve got this migraine, but I’m confused. And they would do CT scans, well, then it was, you need psychiatric help. You need a psychiatric evaluation. And my doctors were very, very frustrated with me.

Andrea 6:01In 2000 end of 2019 2020 I believe I was diagnosed with Lyme disease Bartonella Babesia, and that made sense to me. They think that I’ve had Lyme disease since I was a teenager. And that makes sense. I live in Minnesota, and I love to fish and be in the woods and forage mushrooms. So that made sense. We treated Lyme disease out of pocket for about a year, and by that time, I hadn’t worked in two years. I was mostly bed bound. I had inflammation throughout my body. I was dealing with just a myriad of very strange, debilitating health effects. And we’ve never been a one income family, so we were really struggling. My husband was a chef at the time. It was during, he was during the lockdowns. It was during covid And so his his pay was cut. He was working all the time. And then, you know, then we had like, these crazy out of pocket medical expenses. I said to my doctor at one point, because I wasn’t getting wasn’t getting better, I said, I think I might be living in mold. And I I’ve been reading about the Lyme and mold connection, and he was just like, Oh, I’m not really worried about that. The next time I met with him, I said, Doc, I know I’m living in mold. I can, I can see a little bit of it in my basement. And he says, I’m not worried about it. We’ll deal with it later. Well, later never came because we ran out of money. So by the time we figured out that that it was very the culprit was environmental. We were tapped out, and we didn’t have anywhere to go. And so we moved out to a tent in our backyard with our two small children or two dogs, and by this point, I was ready to take my life and and I I listened to your podcast interview, and it was so wonderful. And I love the fact that you mentioned that mycotoxins can cross the blood brain barrier, and this can cause inflammation in the brain, and that’s important to know, because it’s important for healthcare providers, for social workers, for professionals and for folks to know that mold exposure can manifest as mental health disorders. It can look like anxiety, depression, pans and pandas and kids, personality changes, dementia, you know, all of those things. And so, besides the fact that I was suffering, I was just very unwell with the swelling in my brain. And so I I rewrote my life insurance policy, and I was very aware of when it would pay out. I tripled the coverage, and then I plan to, you know, to take myself out of this world. And my thinking was is, I can’t live like this. I’m suffering. But also I knew my home was toxic. I could feel it. And you know, my husband, who’s got a healthy immune system, didn’t, and I knew I needed to get my kids out of this home and so, so we lived in the tent, and I had these plans in mind, nobody knew. And so I said, Well, if I am going to leave my children motherless, I’m going to fight like heck. So I started reading, because my education was in the sciences. I dove into everything I could. I read textbooks on mold remediation, indoor air quality, environmental testing. I reached out to professionals in the industry. Michael Pinto, he’s a wonderful professional and an educator. He sent me a free textbook. I read it cover to cover. I read everything I could on mold toxicity. I read Dr Neil Nathan’s book toxic. All of his suggested reads.

Andrea 9:43And I, two weeks into reading, I was talking over the heads of the professionals that I had hired, and that was really alarming to me, and they didn’t know what mycotoxins were and and I thought, wow, this is really unregulated so, so I became the professional that we so desperately needed. I recovered my health greatly fresh air and and good food and supporting my detox pathways. And we did remediate our house several times. By the way, the the small bit of visible mold in our basement was extensive. It was throughout our entire basement, everywhere, and it was very, very hidden. We just had no idea.

Andrea 10:30So by the time I recovered, I found a local company here in Minnesota, and I reached out to the owner, and I said, I want to work for you. And says, Well, I don’t know what you would do. You’re hypersensitive. And, you know, we do inspections and mold remediation, and I don’t know what I would do with you. So I chased him down for three months, and I was, we were about to lose the house, and I knew that this is where, where, where God was leading me to to work. This is, you know, all this education I had this is this was a seed that was instilled in my in my heart, to to work in this industry in some capacity. But how? So finally, after three months, I said to him, I said, Listen, if you don’t hire me, I’m going to show up at your doorstep. So he did. He finally and and the first day of work was kind of funny...

Dr. Deb MuthSo what if your symptoms aren’t actually your true diagnosis, but rather your body’s response to toxic mold exposure in your living environment.What if there’s now a way to eliminate mold throughout your entire home, even in places you can’t see without tearing down walls or displacing your family for weeks. Today I have an amazing guest with me, and we’re going to talk all fun things about mold and environment.So welcome back to let’s talk wellness. Now the show where we uncover the root causes of chronic illness, explore cutting edge regenerative medicine, and empower you with the tools to heal. I’m Dr. Dab. And today we’re diving into one of the most overlooked threats to your family’s healthhidden mold in your home. And how revolutionary technology is changing mold remediation forever. I’m super excited to have my guest join me today, Courtney. She’s from pure maintenance, a company that’s completely revolutionizing mold removal with their patented dry fog technology. And if you’re someonethat suffers from mold or someone you love is struggling with unexplained neurological symptoms like fatigue, brain fog, chronic headaches, respiratory issues, or autoimmune conditions. You don’t want to leave this episode. This could be life changing for you so as always grab a cup of coffee, tea, or whatever helps you unwind, settle in and let’s get started on uncovering the hidden environmental factors that could be sabotaging your health.Courtney. Welcome to the show. I’m so excited to have you here today.

Courtney Jarman02:30Thank you for having me.

Dr. Deb Muth02:32So tell us a little bit about who you are, and how you got involved in this.

Courtney Jarman02:37Yeah, sure. So my husband and I built a house because we were always scared ofmold problems. And you know, inheriting a house that has, like all different types of, you know, vocs. And so we built a house, and a few years later we noticed some symptoms like Lyme disease symptoms. I had some Lyme disease symptoms. I actually couldn’t walk after the birth of my second child, and my husband had a horrible sinus infection that lasted like 3 weeks, and it wasn’t going away. So at the time I happened to be talking to a friend of mine who he’s a mycologist.and he was basically telling us that we have a fungal problem in our house, like, based on our symptoms. And I was like, it’s like a new house like you’re just wrong about this. He’s like, just call pure maintenance. He could, because he had a fungal problem in his house in Colorado, and him and his girlfriend were getting really sick, and so they called pure maintenance, and they did like a free inspection. They found out there was like some toilet ring that was leaking which you can’t see. You know those are things that you can’t see in your house.They found it, and you know they removed it, and they treated the house. He felt much better, so he told me to call pure maintenance, and we got an inspection, and I had a really high spore level in our home. And I was like freaking out, of course, because I have 2 young kids, you know, and so we had them treat the house, and our symptoms went away. Our symptoms went away beforehe treated the house, because we opened the windows. We went outside. We took antifungals. So we kind of like figured out what it was. So my lyme disease symptoms started to like go away little by little, and then, when we treated the house. We haven’t had any symptoms after that.Oh, can you hear me or no?

Dr. Deb Muth04:21We can hear you. Yep.

Courtney Jarman04:22Okay.

Dr. Deb Muth04:24Can you hear me? Okay? Still.

Courtney Jarman04:25I can hear you. Yeah. Same. Okay, let me know if I’m too loud, because I can adjust it here. But

Dr. Deb Muth04:30Oh, you’re good!

Courtney Jarman04:31Okay, cool. So yeah, we we got a house treated, and I had to ask the guy to come up from Illinois. So I like, you know, booked a bunch of my friends houses to like. Let’s just check your house from old.and he ended up treating a few houses, and you know, I started to investigate because I was a general contractor on our house build. I learned how to build houses. I was like, really into building science, and I found out in our house we had logs that we brought in from outside that I just like left out like that’s fine. Let’s bring them in. They’re dry. There’s no mold right? It’s dry. The house is dry. There’s no mold that’s like the misconception, right? Or like, yeah, there’s like a little mold patch. Here we spilled something on a window, but, like.you know, it’s not a big deal, andended up that we had like a window sill that. A few window sills with moisture on it, plus these logs, and we closed our windows. We kind of live in a cabin, so we have no Hvac. That’s like circulating air. So the combination of the the high spore level, and like probably high humidity, and like low air, flow in our house caused a mold problem. So I started educating myself on this. Andyou know I realized that there was nobody else. Nobody in Wisconsin doing this, and you know, every time this guy came up from Illinois is charging like a travel fee which is good for him. You know he has to, you know, travel a few hours. But I thought people needed this in Wisconsin. So it was my background. And you know, medical physics and building. And I just love to be like an active person and helping people. I’m really into like general health and wellness, I thought, well, this is like a perfect thing for me to do.

Dr. Deb Muth06:02Old? Was your house at that point.

Courtney Jarman06:05What’s that?

Dr. Deb Muth06:06How old was your house at that point.

Courtney Jarman06:08Like 2 and a half years old.

Dr. Deb Muth06:10Oh, my gosh! So you know that that is the mystery. Right? We treat a lot of patients, too, and they’ll say I have a brand new house. It’s 3 or 4 years old, and they don’t realize that those wood beams, the logs, all the building materials sit out all summer, or sometimes all winter, and they get wet, and when the contractors come in they put it up.and if it’s damp or moist they still put Drywall over the top of it. And this is a lot of times how we end up with mold behind the walls that we don’t recognize. It’s not always a damage that comes in most of the time it is, but sometimes it’s not, and this is how our brand new houses can still be sick buildings.

Courtney Jarman06:49Yeah. And that’s a big, that’s a good point about closing in the walls when they’re wet, which actually, I was very picky about our walls being super dry, and it’s sometimes the interior building materials like you don’t know what happened in the factory, you know, when you get into this. You just hear stories. I’m sure you hear stories and stories, you know, like, how could my house have mold in it? And I was recently in a house that was 7 years old. They’ve never had any water damagethat they know of, like none. It’s just like, you know, it’s perfectly dry. And they did an Ermi test because they actually got a blood test for Mycotoxins. It was a urine or blood test.

Dr. Deb Muth07:24Hmm.

Courtney Jarman07:25This lady’s an Md. So she recognized it, and her daughter got the test, and it came back really high for Mycotoxin. So they did an Ermi test which is like the whole house test. It was.

Dr. Deb Muth07:34J.

Courtney Jarman07:34Super hot this off the charts just off the charts, you know, so it’s like aI didn’t have a motion, you know, to come in and sterilize it. Essentially.Yeah, there’s nothing wet you gotta take out. There’s nothing really. You have to fix.So. And so we should talk about how mold works in a building right? Because people when they think about mold, they’re like, Oh, there’s some visible mold, or like the house is dry. And this was like, I was confused on this for a long time.So basically, once you have mold you have spores, it’s spores are like the seed of the mold. Essentially it sends out the spores various times, not always. But then those spores mix into your house’s dust, your house’s air. They get into your house’s building materials, and they’re very, very small submicron, I think, like, between like 300,000 and 1 million can fit on the head of a PIN, you know. So they’rethey can be everywhere. And then, you know, you essentially, when you have a whole house problem eventually, because you have little pockets here, little pockets there, a little thing here. And so your spore level just goes up and up and up. And once you deal with these spores they’re not going to go down. So that’s kind of like the premise for the technology. Instead of, you know, ripping out little spot treatments here, cleaning this cleaning that we deal with the spore level and the whole mold level in the house.So that’s you know that was what that was what was confusing to me. When Iinto this and dormant mold, even though it’s dry, dormant mold, you know, it’s basically it can last for thousands of years those right? And so you breathe that in it finds moisture in your body. It finds moisture in your dishwasher. It finds moisture. You can’t even see it a lot of times.So.

Dr. Deb Muth09:05It’s so hard, you know, so many of these building materials, too. For a while we had contaminated Osp back in the early 2 thousands that came in from overseas, and people would put Osp up in their house and not know that it was contaminated with mold spores. So when we worry about how we get some of this. We don’t always know what comes in. I love the analogy that you’re giving. You know, we can cut things out. We can put holes in walls, we can dig for things, we can find things.but we’re still not eliminating the mold spores, and if those mold spores are still there, dead or alive, they can still make us sick.So can you talk a little bit about your dry tech techno...

Dr. Deb 0:00Welcome back to Let’s Talk wellness now, the show where we uncover the root causes of chronic illness, explore cutting edge regenerative medicine and empower you with the tools to heal. I’m Dr Deb, and today we’re diving into the revolutionary world of regenerative medicine and how it’s transforming the treatment of chronic conditions. If you or someone you love has been diagnosed with a chronic condition or struggling with unexplained neurological symptoms like fatigue, brain fog, numbness or chronic pain, this episode is for you, so grab a cup of coffee, tea or whatever helps you unwind, settle in and let’s get started on your journey to deeper healing.

Dr. Deb 0:43What if your body already contains everything it needs to heal? In this episode, I’ll explore how regenerative medicine is revolutionizing the way we treat chronic illness by harnessing your body’s own remarkable healing abilities. If you’ve been told you’ll just have to live with it or that medication is your only option, this information could change everything for you. The truth is, conventional medicine often focuses on managing symptoms rather than addressing what’s actually causing your health problems. But regenerative approaches are different. They aim to repair, restore and regenerate damaged tissues at the cellular level, targeting the root causes of your own symptoms. Today, I’m going to break down the science behind these groundbreaking therapies, share inspiring patient stories and offer insights into how these treatments might help when traditional approaches have failed you.

Dr. Deb 1:48You’re going to learn in this episode how regenerative medicine differs from conventional symptom management, the science behind cell therapy and who it might help, why platelet rich plasma PRP, that’s a mouthful. Therapy is offering new hope for chronic pain and the latest research on regenerative approaches for autoimmune conditions, how these therapies might help with previously untreatable conditions, questions to ask your doctor about regenerative options and so much more. So let’s start by understanding what the heck is regenerative medicine anyway? Unlike conventional treatments that often rely on medications to mask symptoms or surgeries that remove damaged tissues, regenerative medicine focuses on actually repairing and restoring function to these damaged tissues and organs. It’s exactly what we talk about on this show all the time, finding and addressing that root cause rather than just managing symptoms. And that’s precisely what makes regenerative medicine so revolutionary for chronic illness. This field encompasses several innovative therapies, but today I want to focus on two of the most promising approaches, cell therapy, also called stem cell therapy and platelet rich plasma treatment, or PRP. First, let’s talk about stem cell therapy, or cell therapy. Stem cells are essentially your body’s raw materials. They’re cells that can transform into many different types of specialized cells, from heart muscle to brain tissue to bone, and when introduced into damaged areas, they can promote repair and reduce inflammation and kick start your body’s natural healing processes. What makes this particularly exciting, though, is that in many cases, we can use your own stem cells harvested from bone marrow, adipose tissue or fat tissue that help reduce the risk of rejection and harness your body’s own healing capabilities. We can also use other people’s stem cells, in the case of umbilical or placental stem cells that come from donated participants, to help regenerate your own tissue as well. Dr Raphael Gonzalez is a leading immunology expert in this field, and explains that stem cell therapy can help repair a fatigued immune system, potentially reversing age related decline and restoring balance after illness or injury. This has profound implications for conditions ranging from autoimmune disease like multiple sclerosis rheumatoid arthritis to neurodegenerative diseases like Parkinson’s and Alzheimer’s disease as well. We’re even seeing promising applications in cardiovascular disease, diabetes.

Dr. Deb 5:00And chronic pain conditions. I recently spoke with a patient named Bob who had been living with debilitating rheumatoid arthritis for over a decade, and after trying nearly every conventional treatment with limited success, he underwent stem cell therapy. Six months after his treatment, he was able to reduce his medications by half. The morning stiffness that used to keep her in bed for hours decreased dramatically, and for the first time in years, he could open jars and button his own shirt without pain. While it wasn’t a miracle cure, it gave him quality of life that he looked after forever,

Dr. Deb 5:43his experience isn’t unique. Many patients are finding relief where conventional medicine fell short at the best part, these treatments are typically minimally invasive, often performed on an outpatient basis with relatively little downtime. Now let’s talk about PRP platelet rich plasma therapy. This treatment uses a concentration of your own platelets, tiny blood cells that play a crucial role in healing, to accelerate the repair of damaged tissues. And here’s how it works, a small sample of blood is drawn and placed in a centrifuge, a device that spins your blood, which separates the platelets from the other blood components, kind of just like we do when we take your blood for a normal blood test, but this concentrated solution of platelets is rich in growth factors. It’s then injected to an area that needs to repair or heal.

Dr. Deb 6:41PRP has shown remarkable results for joint injuries, arthritis and soft tissue healing. Athletes have been using this therapy for years to speed recovery, but now it’s becoming more accessible to everyone dealing with chronic pain and degenerative conditions. The benefits are compelling. It’s minimally invasive, has little risk of rejection, since it uses your own blood and can significantly improve symptoms, sometimes reducing or eliminating the need for surgery or long term medication. Beyond stem cells and PRP, researchers are developing exciting new approaches, small molecule drugs that can activate the body’s own stem cells to repair tissue affected by age related diseases are showing great promise. These therapies are being developed for conditions like osteoarthritis, inflammatory bowel disease and even heart failure. Dr ADIL KHAN, another pioneer in the field, emphasizes that the combination of stem cells, exosomes, which are tiny vesicles released in the cells that facilitate cell to cell communication, and peptides, can regenerate damaged tissues, reduce inflammation and either slow the aging process itself. What excites me most about regenerative medicine is how it’s changing our approach to chronic illness from resignation to hope by focusing on tissue repair and immune system balance, these therapies aim to modify or even reverse disease progression, not just manage your symptoms. The treatments are personalized to each person’s condition and biology, and while they’re not a cure all, many patients experience lasting improvements in pain, function and quality of life, especially for conditions that previously had limited treatment options. So what does the future hold for Regenerative Medicine? Clinical trials are currently exploring stem cell therapy for chronic fatigue syndrome, Long Haul covid and various autoimmune diseases. These researchers are also working to make these treatments more accessible and affordable. As Dr Khan puts it, we’re at the beginning of a new era in medicine, one where we don’t just accept chronic illness as inevitable, but actively work to reverse it by harnessing the body’s own healing capabilities. If you’re someone living with a chronic condition, what should you take away from today’s episode? First, regenerative medicine offers genuine hope, not for symptom management, but for actual healing. Second, while these treatments are becoming more mainstream, they’re still evolving. It’s important to research thoroughly consult with specialists who have specific training in regenerative medicine and have realistic expectations. And finally, the field is advancing rapidly. Treatments that seem cutting edge today may be standard care in just a few years. Remember, healing is possible when we address the root cause, and regenerative medicine is giving us a powerful new tool to do.

Dr. Deb 10:00Exactly that.

Dr. Deb 10:02Thank you for joining me today on Let’s Talk wellness. Now. If this episode resonated with you, share it with someone who could benefit from learning about regenerative medicine and its potential for chronic illness. Remember, wellness isn’t just about feeling good, it’s about thriving in every area of your life. If you’re ready to explore how regenerative medicine and functional medicine can help you visit us at Serenity healthcare center.com, or reach out to me directly through functional mbi.com,

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