Part two, flip the record! Claire Carusillo (Gawker) and I look at the second half of Lifted, culminating in the goddamn opus--Let's Not Shit Ourselves.

In this conversation we talk about friendship, songmeanings.net being better than Genius, wasting paint, strumming and hollering, weeping for Laura Laurent, Justin's lost term paper about Let's Not Shit Ourselves, not reading the reviews, ABC, NBC, CBS BULLSHIT!, fatherly love for Hunter Biden, Roe v. Wade, staring too long at WHAT screen?, loving, being loved, and her majesty the queen.

Claire Carusillo: twitter.com/clocarustwo (here's her author page and her pieces about Jackson Browne and sad YouTube comments)

Justin Cox: twitter.com/routinelayup