After the Deluge

My guests are Mike Kinsella and Steve Lamos of American Football, who put out their fourth self-titled LP earlier this year.

We talk about being rewritten into a history they weren’t part of, Nick Drake, Bright Eyes (because I shoehorn it in), American Football as a minimalist project, Pinback/Mogwai/Tortoise, how they wrote then vs. how they write now, the neuroscience of syncopation, the GQ profile from earlier this year, the Top-200 Emo Albums of All Time, The Tony Kornheiser Show, and the confluence of sports and indie music. And more of course!

AF: https://www.americanfootballmusic.com/

Me: instagram.com/routinelayup

Claire Carusillo is the author of The Responsible Party (out Aug. 11) and co-owner of Storyboard—a book shore/skate shop in Midway, UT. We talk about Baller*na Farm turning the town into a Tradwife Mecca, her family’s real-life shipwreck history, hot tub maintenance, bunking up in a lighthouse, how Ch*tGPT has ruined Reality TV recaps, writing at the crack of dawn, and the book coming out very very soon. 

- instagram.com/clocarus

- instagram.com/storyboardmidway

- instagram.com/routinelayup

Get the book:

https://us.macmillan.com/books/9781250408631/theresponsibleparty/

The original Jackson Browne interview just got hit with a c*pyright strike, so here's a video version without the song clips. Originally aired in 2023.

Our guest on the Season One finale is Jackson Browne (!) and we talk about his whole career, from writing "These Days" at 16 up to his latest record, Downhill From Everywhere. Reach me at [email protected].

LISTEN TO THE FULL JACKSON BROWNE SEASON

https://www.patreon.com/collection/16831

2:00 - The Dreamer

7:20 - “I can’t write a song that simple”

10:00 - “Somebody’s Baby” & simple songs

13:00 - Describing life to yourself is a cool job

16:45 - The ocean is downhill from everywhere

20:00 - Sylvia Earle and the Blue Heart of the planet

23:00 - "We need the ocean to survive"

22:45 - Coming down from acid and getting a song idea on the freeway

32:00 - Jamming with Greg Copeland and Greg Leisz

36:00 - The invaluable nature of session musicians (and how Jackson treats them)

41:45 - Me sharing an dorky story about a Jackson Browne show

43:25 - Playing acoustic and why have 10 guitars up there

49:30 - Are guitar solos dead?

52:45 - On Phoebe Bridgers, Dawes, Tal Wilkenfeld, and other young artists

54:20 - The last lines of "These Days" explained

Jonathan Bernstein is a Senior Research Editor for Rolling Stone and author of the new book What Do You Do When You’re Lonesome? — the authorized biography of Justin Townes Earle. You can buy it now.

We talk about the night we learned of Justin's death, songs about heroin and crack, writing descriptively about finger picking, Justin made his father the villain, the last quarter-century of roots music, O Brother, Where Art Thou?, fashion, self-sabotage, Chicago, "Movin' On," writing a book about someone who bends the truth and/or lies, Justin's childhood, the post-CD-pre-streaming era, "Mama's Eyes," and finally Jonathan's favorite JTE record.

Get the book! https://www.dacapopress.com/titles/jonathan-bernstein/what-do-you-do-when-youre-lonesome/9780306833274/

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In which I ramble for 45 mins about podcast episodes getting deleted, the idea of fair use, and whether I'll make another season of this show. Plus some music pods I've enjoyed this year.

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DELETED EPISODES: https://www.patreon.com/afterthedeluge

CONTACT: [email protected]

ME: Justin Cox / @routinelayup

Jim-E Stack the producer of Bon Iver’s 2025 record SABLE, fABLE among many other projects. We talk about how they made the record, Justin Vernon’s patient creativity, playing drums in San Francisco, remixing songs in the blogging glory days, the novelty of this record’s EP/LP track listing, working with Lorde, playing with LEGOS, Vernon on the mixing board, whether they discussed this as the last Bon record, and a little bit about the King of the Hill reboot. 

CONTACT: [email protected]

PATREON / ZINE: patreon.com/afterthedeluge

(Free 7 day trial for you to speed run every ep)

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Justin: https://www.instagram.com/routinelayup/

Jim-E: https://www.instagram.com/jimestack/

Alex Robert Ross is a writer and editor based in Toronto. He wrote the Pitchfork review for SABLE, fABLE and for many years served as Editorial Director of The FADER. 

We talk about how most Bon Iver articles start in the cabin, reviewing the new record, Pitchfork and Bon Iver over the years, “the best album Genesis never made,” releasing the Sable EP last fall, S P E Y S I D E, playing with expectations, “January ain’t the whole world,” pressing the bruise, climbing up a tree, Danielle Haim, a Bright Eyes and Bon Iver comparison, authenticity, pedal steel, funk, is this record an end point?, “There’s a Rhythm,” I’ll go put the Paaaaathfinder on waltz, memorable moments on Bon Iver songs, Mk.gee/Dijon, screen time, soccer, baseball, and Sorry—his new magazine about Toronto. 

INTERVIEW WITH JIM-E STACK: patreon.com/afterthedeluge

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Alex: @alexrobertross

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⁠https://pitchfork.com/reviews/albums/bon-iver-sable-fable/

Justin: @routinelayup 

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Chris Messina co-produced the Bon Iver records 22, a Million and I,i, among dozens more by other artists. This is a bonus of sorts before we finish up at SABLE, fABLE.

Chris and I casually talk about records made on unconventional instruments, exaggerated narratives around 22, a Million, turning April Base into a proper studio, living in Eau Claire for nine years, using gear incorrectly, adapting these kinds of songs live, big-ass headphones, finishing a record in Texas, a quick pop-punk diversion, and more. 

https://www.messinachris.com/

patreon.com/afterthedeluge

instagram.com/routinelayup

Avery Adams is a producer, musician, and chef, and Kevin W. Smith is a writer and radio host. We talk about Bon Iver’s fourth album, I,i (Jagjaguar), released on August 9, 2019, an 8.8 Best New Music on Pitchfork. Also: Music writing circa 2007, For Emma vinyl sales, Vernon's non-falsetto register, Naeem drums, sliding on cardboard, no click, Texas, Hornsby, Beck, this album's got moments, “Hey, Ma,” bass lines, an Aaron Rogers/Justin Vernon interview circa 2019, The Bee Gees, where this album stands against the discography, Radiohead, Animal Collective, Of Montreal, and indulging creative impulses.

FULL EPISODE W/ PRODUCER CHRIS MESSINA ON PATREON

AVERY 

matiakitchen.com 

instagram.com/rarebirdcommittee/

instagram.com/realfreaque/

https://www.instagram.com/nautilusenclave/

KEVIN

https://kmre.org/island-time/

https://keviniswriting.com/

Ian Grant is the host of the Jokermen podcast. We discuss Bon Iver's 2016 record 22, a Million (Jagjaguar). After dipping into the 9.0 Pitchfork review, we talk about a For Emma sunrise show at the Hollywood Forever Cemetery, having his mind blown by this record in impact (and me ignoring it) in 2016, that year's prez election, the OP-1 synth, “It might be over soon,” Kanye briefly, Stevie Nicks singing “Wild Heart," listening Radiohead and Bon Iver while flying, “Staying at the Ace Hotel,” don’t trust Spot*fy lyrics, “the days have no numbers,” saying these song titles out loud, Taylor in C0vid, and Jokermen's Beach Boys journey.

THIS SHOW ON PATREON

Me:

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Ian:

https://bsky.app/profile/ianjgrant.com

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