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Crime as Forgiven By Against Me! was released in 2001 and followed that same year by the band's self-titled acoustic EP.

Frank Turner is a musician from England. He joined us from his studio while working on his next album. We talk about knocking out records, Alternative Press, diagonal haircuts, gatekeeping subgenres of emo, Frank was a few high school grades behind Against Me!, the Crime EP was slipped to him like drugs, he loves New Wave, trying to be Neil Young, "selling out" at the dawn of social media, Love Ire & Song, feeling a little guilty around Ian MacKaye, going back in time to give Against Me! a hug, Gainesville, Tom Petty, No Idea Records, Lisa Loeb, folk is the only scene more annoying than punk, Frightened Rabbit, “Dylan goes electric,” me playing harmonica with Frank at The Fillmore, Against Me! scaring his fans in the UK, and then my wife pops in to say a quick hello.

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Season 3 of After the Deluge goes album by album through the Against Me! discography with a new guest on each episode, starting with their early days in Gainesville followed by records released on No Idea and Fat Wreck Chords before signing to a major label deal—all of that before Transgender Dysphoria Blues. Joining us on the finale is Laura Jane Grace herself. It's on all podcast apps as of now, but it soon may have to leave.

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I talked to Dan Ozzi, author of the book Sellout, about his recent Fader piece about The Armed—a band/collective/cult from Detroit. We jump from there into early 2010s music writing, hearing new music as you get old, editing Noisey in the early 2010s, getting nostalgic about Chumped, media now vs. media then, when the label or publisher asks you to do corny stuff, selling out, "lying Lydia Tár" ...and then we close out by reacting to Barack Obama’s summer playlist, which dropped right before we recorded.

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Tim Kasher returns for a special episode about The Good Life’s Album of the Year. We talk about Zooming with Conor Oberst on bad wifi, his upcoming tour, his high school band March Hares opening for 311, Tim’s Red Hot Chili Peppers horoscope theory, Inmates, early 2000s Saddle Creek albums about substances, Cursive, debauchery and heartache, Tim loves musicals, I get a little emo about the seasons, Vanessa Carlton, Ryan Fox's slide guitar, creating albums in a world made for songs, The Good Life’s website SEO, and what next?

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I talk to Conor Oberst of Bright Eyes about Jackson Browne, emo, being a child among the Saddle Creek teens, showing ambition in a slacker scene, Pitchfork reviews, a wild story behind “Soul Singer in a Session Band," his songs making sense to him but maybe not to you, Conor’s media diet, listening to audiobooks about feathers, do people pay too much attention to politics now?, AI and Chat GPT, The Faint being ahead of their time, could he write “First Day of My Life” on command?, long songs and “Let’s Not Shit Ourselves,” using SAT words in lyrics, that perfect Waxahatchee record, the next batch of companion EPs, opening for Paramore at the Emo Fest, that cancelled Houston show, writing songs to impress Tim Kasher, Todd Fink and Ted Stevens, leaving Saddle Creek, how to get into the band Superchunk, what does Conor Oberst think of 311?, Rage Against the Machine vs. Limp Bizkit, Down in the Weeds, feeling like The Beatles on the Wide Awake tour... not so much on the Digital Ash tour… and then we meet his dog Petra and say goodbye!

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Brian Howe is a music, arts and culture critic for Pitchfork and many other outlets. Evan Bailey sings and plays guitar in the band Oh, Lonesome Ana. We talk about the Bright Eyes record Cassadaga, experimental album art, mysticism, fiddles, Brian discovering Fevers & Mirrors, meaning outside of religion, reassessing this record, high fidelity audio, Brian’s 6.0 Pitchfork review, songs about Oberst's life vs. songs about The World, “Santa Claus is Coming to Town,” Cassadaga, FL, songs that feel longer than they are, Oberst’s Inside Llewyn Davis audition, getting clean in Los Angeles, “Countrypolitan," "Classic Cars," seeing the Cassadaga tour live, Kirsten Dunst, Mogis pedal steel.

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Ian Cohen (Pitchfork/Indiecast) and I talk about Fevers and Mirrors, a pivotal moment for Bright Eyes and Saddle Creek. Check out Ian's excellent Pitchfork review of the vinyl reissue in 2012. 

Also discussed: Dashboard Confessional, Emo, long intro tracks to chase off the squares, early Pitchfork, Rolling Stone reviews for old rockers, bands swinging BIG, our embarrassing teenage journals, Steven Hyden’s album rankings, is Cassadaga overrated or underrated?, eBaum’s World, No Woman No Cry, THAT FAKE RADIO INTERVIEW, Todd Fink’s improv skills, and "A Song to Pass the Time" as the album's epilogue. 

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Season two of After the Deluge goes album by album through the Bright Eyes discography, from the basement recordings in Omaha through the pandemic release after a decade-long hiatus, and some real classics in between. We've got guests like Tim Kasher, Todd Fink, and Conor Oberst himself.

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On this special episode we talk about non-Bright Eyes Conor Oberst projects over the last 25 years. I’m joined by Maddy, Michael, Rina, Greg, Justin and Per (Patreon supporters of this show ☺️) for a sprawling conversation about Oberst's solo records and side projects. There are many!

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Here’s the list of records I mention in the intro:

CONOR OBERST

Water (1993)

Here’s to Special Treatment (1994)

The Soundtrack to my Movie (1996)

Conor Oberst (2008)

... & the Mystic Valley Band: Outer South (2009)

Upside Down Mountain (2014)

Ruminations (2016)

Salutations (2017)

COMMANDER VENUS

Do You Feel at Home? (1995)

The Uneventful Vacation (1997)

NORMAN BAILER

Sine Sierra (1995)

DEAPARACIDOS

Read Music / Speak Spanish (2002)

Payola (2015)

MONSTERS OF FOLK

Monsters of Folk (2009) - Boring / Awash in reverb / Boygenius Rolling Stone

BETTER OBLIVION COMMUNITY CENTER

Better Oblivion Community Center (2019) - Great / Dylan Thomas

Here is the Commander Venus clip mentioned in this episode: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dDj9aAyCbDs&list=WL&index=110