This is a call recording of Jason Fried, CEO of Basecamp, helping me out with some motivation issues I’ve been having.

We didn’t know if we’d release it. It’s VERY raw and, of course, unedited.Here’s what we talk about:

* Me losing some of my business “mojo” in recent years

* Growing AJ&Smart to 10 million… or not

* Why Jason thinks I need a real break from the business

* A surprise reveal about some medication I’m testing out!

Jason is the first-ever guest on this podcast And coincidentally, Jason was also the first ever guest on the Jake and Jonathan podcast 7 years ago!

I hope some of you guys enjoy this one. Let me know if we should record one of our chats again!

Cheers,Jonathan

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