Actor, poet, musician and social activist Antonio David Lyons joins Listen To Your Footsteps to talk about grief, ancestors and what it means to keep stepping through every open door.

Raised between Jamaican, Bahamian and African American worlds, Antonio traces how dance, poetry and libraries became early places of healing and imagination, long before New York stages or South African screens.

He shares how a stalled career in Los Angeles led to depression, envy and a promise to protect his soul, eventually pushing him to leave Hollywood, move to South Africa and rebuild an authentic lane across acting, house music, racial justice workshops and foundation leadership.

From Hotel Rwanda and Generations to the Valerie J MaynardFoundation and Georgetown University, his story shows what a true portfolio life can look like when you stop waiting for permission.

The conversation moves deep into grief, as Antonio reflects on losing his mother, stepmother and mentor, and learning that “you must hold yourself” while staying rooted in Yoruba spirituality and the belief that he is his ancestors and his ancestors are him.

Together with host Kojo Baffoe, he explores therapy, ocean rituals, responsibility to family and why some people are drawn to chaos while others discipline themselves towards peace.

If you are wrestling with loss, thinking about leaving an industry to save your soul, or wondering how to build a creative portfolio life that actually feels like yours, this episode offers language, companionship and a gentle push towards your next open door.

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Chartered marketer, brand strategist and podcast host Mpeo Nkosi joins Listen To Your Footsteps to talk about burnout, career change and choosing an intentional life beyond corporate comfort.

In this honest conversation, she shares how staying too long in the wrong role made her physically ill, why she now works three days a week and what it really takes to design the next 23 years of your working life on purpose.

We explore the psychology of consumers, the difference between skills and job titles, and how storytelling can help youbuild brands, businesses and careers that actually fit who you are.

Mpeo opens up about parenting a 23-year-old, letting go of control, navigating a blended family and getting married at 36 after deciding she might never meet her person.

If you are a mid-career professional, creative or entrepreneur questioning success, this episode offers practical reflection prompts and language you can use to renegotiate your relationship with work, time and validation.

Listen in for grounded wisdom on owning your choices, redefining stability and giving yourself permission to live an unscripted, more deliberate life.

Before he became one of the most respected voices shaping South Africa’s music ecosystem, Refiloe Ramogase was a boy in a Catholic school uniform learning discipline, structure and the emotional silence that often comes with it.

His path moved through political science dreams, economic pressure, call centre shifts, artist management battles and industry boardrooms. Along the way, he learned that leadership is not defined by title or visibility, but by the willingness to disrupt yourself repeatedly and consciously.

In this powerful episode of Listen To Your Footsteps, Refiloe reflects on:

• How Catholic school discipline formed his worldview, ambition and emotional habits.
• The economic realities that pushed him from political dreams into the corporate world.
• The moment he stepped into the music industry and saw the structural gaps hurting artists.
• Why the industry needs better systems, policies and protection rather than more stars.
• The emotional weight of grief and how loss reshaped his identity, presence and priorities.
• How therapy helped him unlearn inherited patterns and build healthier ways of being.
• The transformative role of fatherhood and raising daughters with emotional intelligence.
• Why leadership rooted in self-disruption creates better teams, systems and legacies. 

Refiloe speaks with clarity, humour and emotional honesty, offering a rare look into the internal and external work required to lead in creative industries. His story is not about chasing power.

It is about becoming the kind of person who can hold power responsibly.

Whether you work in music, lead people, raise children or are navigating your own evolution, this episode will shift how you think about leadership, identity and the systems we build.

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Siphiwe Mhlambi’s story begins with rupture. Abandoned as a child, raised without answers, and left to assemble a sense of belonging from fragments, he discovered a camera at thirteen and found more than a hobby. He found a lifeline. A discipline. A language. And eventually, a world that would let him build himself, frame by frame.

Today, Siphiwe stands as one of South Africa’s most respected documentary and jazz photographers, a quiet custodian of history whose images have travelled far beyond the stages and streets where they were born. His archive does more than capture musicians or moments. It preserves a culture, honours overlooked lives, and restores dignity to stories that might otherwise vanish.

In this powerful episode of Listen To Your Footsteps, Siphiwe reflects on:

• How childhood abandonment shaped his relationship with silence, searching and storytelling
• The moment a camera became both structure and salvation
• Why jazz is not just a genre but a philosophy that shaped his way of seeing
• His role as an archivist of South African culture and why documentation is a form of justice
• The mentors, communities and chosen family who gave him roots
• The emotional labour of photographing other people’s truths while confronting his own

Siphiwe speaks with humility, precision and emotional clarity, offering a rare look into a life shaped by creative resilience. His reflections remind us that healing is slow work, artistry takes courage, and legacy is built through consistent, deliberate witnessing.

Whether you know his photographs or meet him here for the first time, this episode reveals the human story behind the lens: a boy becoming a man, a seeker becoming an archivist,and an artist learning to belong.

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From natural hair blogging before it was a movement to podcasting long before it was mainstream, Ntsiki Mkhize has spent her entire life arriving in spaces early.

Today she is a social entrepreneur, author, speaker, mentor, and founder of Mentor, a global mentorship community for women navigating entrepreneurship, leadership, and social impact.

But her story did not begin in boardrooms or ecosystems. It started at a family table where she was encouraged to question everything, design her own path and live “on purpose, on purpose.”

In this episode of Listen To Your Footsteps, Ntsiki opens up about:

• Growing up with young parents who created room for her voice, her ideas and her tenacity
• Why she entered Miss South Africa as a teenager and later returned with an afro that challenged the norms of beauty and representation
• What it means to be “ahead of the curve” and why timing, not talent, often determines whether an idea succeeds
• The truth about burnout, reinvention, and rebuilding a mentorship ecosystem from scratch during COVID
• How her global mentorship platform, book, magazine and corporate work converge into a deeper purpose centred on women, youth, entrepreneurship and inclusion
• The role mentors have played in her evolution and how individuals and organisations can structure mentorship that actually transforms lives
• Why she is now being invited into tech, finance and policy spaces and what excites her about becoming a woman shaping Africa’s future
• The healing and grounding she found through swimming and free-diving after a traumatic experience

Whether she is building communities, writing stories, designing ecosystems or diving ten metres underwater to relearn trust in her body, Ntsiki shows that purpose is not an accident. It is a deliberate act. A daily alignment. A way of being.

This conversation is a blueprint for anyone trying to navigate purpose, timing, ambition and reinvention.
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Annicia Manyaapelo has spent her life shaping spaces where African creativity is seen, protected, and valued. As the founder of NichLuxe and creator of Women Who Collect, she is rewriting the rules of access, showing that art is not a gated world but a living archive of who we are and who we dare to become.

In this expansive episode of Listen To Your Footsteps, Annicia reflects on:

• How childhood textures, stories, and rituals shaped her identity as a maker
• Why the traditional art world often feels coded and inaccessible, and how she chooses to redesign the room instead of asking for entry
• The birth of Women Who Collect and why African women are becoming the custodians of tomorrow’s cultural memory
• What African luxury really means when it is defined by us, and rooted in depth, time, craft, and care
• The emotional labour of supporting artists and why care is a creative technology
• How collecting becomes a form of storytelling, preservation, and future building

Annicia speaks with clarity, warmth, and intention about identity, legacy, and the responsibility we carry when we choose what to honour. This is a conversation for anyone dreaming about art, access, ownership, and the systems African women are quietly reshaping across the world.

Whether you know her as a strategist, curator, collector, or cultural thinker, this episode reveals the depth of a woman working to build futures where African creativity can thrive without apology.

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For more than three decades, Charl Blignaut has chronicled South Africa’s cultural heartbeat. As a journalist, editor, and critic, he has written the stories that have defined how we see ourselves, from underground movements to mainstream revolutions, from the birth of kwaito to the rise of amapiano, from the rise of representation to the reckoning of responsibility.

In this deeply reflective conversation with Kojo Baffoe, Charl explores how identity, queerness, and conscience have shaped his craft and his sense of duty as a storyteller. He speaks candidly about growing up in a conservative farming community, finding refuge in writing, and becoming a voice for culture that refuses to be simplified.

Listeners will hear Charl unpack:

• Why he believes journalism is an act of service, not performance.
• The relationship between technology, storytelling, and truth in a fast-changing world.
• How South African pop culture continues to emerge from the underground and challenge power.
• The tension between long-form storytelling and the short-form algorithm, and why both matter.
• His reflections on queerness as lens, ethics as compass, and complexity as resistance.
• What he’s learned about courage, craft, and care after years of covering art, politics, and power.

Charl’s conversation is a masterclass in cultural consciousness; part history, part reflection, and part blueprint for anyone who still believes words can change the world.

Whether you know him as the City Press arts editor, the journalist who championed South African film and visual art, or the critic who insists that culture is our real economy, this is a rare portrait of a man who has lived his truth through language.

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From a quiet corner of Melville’s 27 Boxes, Sewela Langeni has built more than just a bookshop. Through Book Circle Capital, she has created a home for African stories and the people who love them; a space where conversation, curiosity, and connection meet between the shelves.

In this intimate episode of Listen To Your Footsteps, Sewela reflects on:

• The journey of turning Book Circle Capital into a cultural hub rooted in African literature.
• Writing her debut children’s book Making Friends With Feelings and why it focuses on helping boys express their emotions.
• The importance of representation in children’s stories and the lessons she’s learning as both parent and author.
• How she balances entrepreneurship, family life, and a full-time career while nurturing community.
• The realities of South Africa’s publishing landscape and why patience and authenticity matter more than pace and hype.

Grounded, thoughtful, and full of quiet wisdom, this conversation explores what it means to build something meaningful through words and how books can become bridges between generations.

Whether you’re a parent, a teacher, a reader, or a dreamer trying to start your own creative venture, Sewela Langeni’s story offers both comfort and courage.

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From the curated chaos of the digital age to the quiet rooms of self-reflection, Tshiamo Modisane has learned that the real work of becoming is not about being seen; it’s about being known.

In this intimate and reflective episode of Listen To Your Footsteps, Kojo Baffoe sits down with Tshiamo, a South African stylist, writer, and creative storyteller, to unpack the balance between visibility and authenticity. Known for her articulate voice across fashion, media, and social storytelling, Tshiamo has become a guiding presence for many navigating the tension between self-expression and self-preservation.

She speaks with emotional clarity about what it means to grow publicly while protecting your peace privately, how to practise softness as strength, and why letting your work speak first remains the most radical act of self-trust in a performative world.

Together, Kojo and Tshiamo explore:

• How to stay grounded when your identity becomes content.
• The difference between performing peace and living it.
• Why gentleness can be a creative superpower.
• How burnout taught her to rebuild from rest.
• The ongoing work of becoming whole—in public view.

This conversation is not about perfection or performance; it’s about presence. Tshiamo reminds us that true influence has nothing to do with attention and everything to do with intention.

Whether you know her from I Am Tshiamo or meet her here for the first time, this episode is an invitation to slow down, listen inward, and redefine what strength and visibility mean for you.

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From the streets of Soweto to the boardrooms of global creative collaboration, Wandile Zondo has walked, run, and cycled a long road toward sovereignty. As co-founder of Thesis Lifestyle, he’s spent two decades turning streetwear into a system; building not just a brand, but a movement that fuses fashion, community, sport, and social consciousness.

In this powerful episode of Listen To Your Footsteps, Wandile reflects on the journey that has shaped him as a creator, a father, and a builder of culture:

• How Thesis became a blueprint for township entrepreneurship and local pride.
• Why running, cycling, and the outdoors became metaphors for self-mastery and healing.
• The discipline it takes to move from hustle to structure, and the hard lessons behind building a sustainable business.
• His reflections on fatherhood, sobriety, and redefining manhood through presence and patience.
• Why he believes true freedom isn’t about escape, but about ownership; of your story, your systems, and your community.

Zondo speaks with the same clarity and humility that has guided his work; grounded in Soweto, but globally fluent. He shows that sovereignty isn’t about solitude; it’s about community, continuity, and the courage to define yourself on your own terms.

Whether you’ve followed Thesis Lifestyle since its early jam sessions or are meeting Wandile Zondo for the first time, this conversation is a masterclass in what it means to build something that outlives the hype.

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