Right off the top, bit of a language warning for you 😉

Hugh van Cuylenburg is probably the last person you’d expect to have things that s**t him to death, given his work with The Resilience Project but alas he is a human being just like the rest of us.

In this chat with both talk about our anxieties when it comes to performing live, the nature of our disconnected lives, inconsiderate a***holes on planes and Tom. We love Tom and by the end of this episode so will you.

You can catch Hugh on Instagram @hughvancuylenburg or head to The Resilience Project’s website to find out more about the incredible work Hugh and his team do.

Follow me on Instagram @urzilacarlson and Twitter @urzilacarlson and see me on tour in Australia & NZ: urzilacarlson.com

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