Calum is joined by Asa Bennett who worked with Liz Truss in various departments including at No 10 Downing Street. He reflects on the 40 or so days that they spent in office, and looks back on his time as a writer for her in other government departments. He tells us about his proudest soundbites from speeches he was involved with. Then, Tom Baldwin joins the podcast. Tom worked with Ed Miliband in the run-up to the 2015 General Election. Tom tells us about his diagnosis of politics today, as well as hypothesising about what the UK might have been like if Ed Miliband had won in 2015.

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