M&A Science

By Kison Patel

M&A Science, hosted by Kison Patel (Founder & CEO of DealRoom), is your go-to podcast for mastering the art of mergers and acquisitions. Each week, Kison and his expert guests from leading bra... more

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Number 1: Why PE Rollups Fail the People Who Built the Business
A rollup can look attractive at signing: cash today, equity in a larger platform, and the promise of participating in what gets built next. But sellers rarely spend as much time understanding what sits above that equity, what has to happen before it becomes liquid, or whose economics take priority when the platform eventually exits. Bill Johnson, Founder, Chairman & CEO of The Liberty Company Insurance Brokers, has completed roughly 50 acquisitions while building Liberty without PE equity capital. He joins Kison Patel to challenge some of the assumptions behind acquisition-led growth and explore what buyers and sellers often discover only after the deal is done. What You'll Learn What sellers should understand about common vs. preferred equity How investor timelines can change deal economics after close Why seller character is so difficult to diligence What happens when acquisition growth outruns integration capacity How Liberty balanced M&A, organic growth, and leverage When red flags between LOI and close should make you walk away --- You can do fifty deals and still run into something you've never seen before. DealPilot , powered by M&A Science, gives you practitioner-built guidance from 400+ interviews and thousands of real acquisitions. When the playbook stops working, know what to do next.
September 17, 202649min
Number 2: The Discount Is the Wrong Question in Private Equity Secondaries
Richard Chow, Partner at PJT Partners (NYSE: PJT) Secondary deals are often judged by a single metric: the discount. Richard Chow thinks that's the wrong place to start. After spending most of his career investing in and advising on secondaries, Richard has seen what happens when investors focus too heavily on price and miss what is actually driving the transaction. Richard and Kison walk through the decisions behind LP-led deals, continuation vehicles, private-market liquidity, and some of the assumptions buyers routinely get wrong. They also get into Richard's own investing mistakes, including a SpaceX opportunity he passed on, and what it taught him about underwriting assets whose real upside may sit well beyond the typical investment horizon. What You'll Learn Why the discount can be the wrong starting point in a secondary deal What separates LP-led and GP-led secondary transactions How continuation vehicles change the liquidity equation Where IRR can create the wrong impression of investment performance Why Richard believes buyers often approach diligence too narrowly What passing on SpaceX taught him about underwriting long-term compounders If you're evaluating a secondary opportunity and defaulting to "what's the discount," DealPilot's Buyer-Led M&A™ Certification is built on that instinct: stop taking the other side's framing and drive your own evaluation instead. ____________________ This episode of M&A Science is presented by DealRoom. 51% of corp dev teams are already using AI in their deals. We surveyed 230+ practitioners surveyed on where AI is showing up across sourcing, diligence, integration, and internal workflows, what's working, what's holding teams back, and where the biggest opportunity is over the next 12 to 24 months. Grab your free copy of the full report: https://hubs.ly/Q04sM2m30 ____________________ Episode Chapters [00:00] Intro [03:23] Career Path Into Secondaries [05:49] Why the Secondary Market Exists [07:10] LP Interests vs Continuation Vehicles [14:28] LP Versus GP-Led Deal Flow [15:52] Endowments Face a China Problem [18:19] Why the Discount Is Wrong [21:50] Marketing a Deal, Finding Buyers [30:34] Employee Option Secondaries Explained [32:05] How IRR Misleads Retail Investors [35:03] Why Secondaries Data Can't Be Trusted [42:50] Private Credit Secondaries Explained [45:16] The SpaceX Valuation Lesson [47:24] Diligence on Complex Cap Tables [50:21] The Most Common Buyer Mistake
August 27, 202655min
Number 3: How to Finance Acquisitions Without Giving Up Equity
Bill Stone, Founder and CEO of SS&C How do you keep buying companies without eventually losing control of the company you built? SS&C Technologies founder and CEO Bill Stone has spent four decades avoiding exactly that. Rather than treating each acquisition as an isolated transaction, SS&C built a system around protecting ownership, using debt when the economics make sense, paying it down quickly, and creating enough value after close to preserve capacity for the next deal. Bill walks through the decisions behind acquisitions including FMC, GlobeOp, and Blue Prism, his experience taking SS&C private with Carlyle, and the discipline that has allowed the company to keep acquiring across changing markets. What You'll Learn How Bill Stone kept 15% of SS&C through 100 acquisitions The exact revenue-per-head and EBITDA thresholds SS&C screens for Why strategic buyers almost always outbid private equity How to tell a motivated seller from one just fishing for a premium When rollover equity can help retain the management team How Carlyle overruled Stone's own unanimous board vote The one rule that makes Stone walk from a deal every time Every financing decision changes what you can do on the next deal. If you're financing an acquisition and don't have a hard leverage ceiling you actually stick to, DealPilot, powered by M&A Science, has the deal guidance layer to help you set one before you're over-levered on the next deal. ____________________ This episode of M&A Science is presented by DealRoom. DealRoom is the AI-powered operating system for Buyer-Led M&A™ — one connected system for pipeline, diligence, integration, and reporting. No tool-switching, no manual updates, no data gaps. See how it works: https://hubs.ly/Q04mcGKy0 ____________________ Episode Chapters [00:00] Intro and Guest Bio Check [04:27] Protecting Ownership From Bankers [07:32] Pivoting to the Buy Side [12:12] Cutting a Client's Cost 91% [12:32] Technology Cycles From Excel to AI [15:14] First Acquisition and Going Public [16:26] Balancing Investors and Founder Control [20:08] The Carlyle Take-Private Story [27:23] Screening Deals and Cutting Costs Fast [32:02] Reading a Seller's True Motivation [35:29] Winning FMC Under Canadian Rules [42:10] Beating TPG for GlobeOp [45:22] The Leverage Ceiling and Debt Paydown [49:06] Topping Vista for Blue Prism [53:17] Walking Away From a Lying Seller [54:23] Diligence Speed and Trust But Verify [54:58] Valuations and Capital Abundance
August 20, 202658min
Number 4: The Back-Office Surprises Nobody Warned You About When Going Global
Jennifer Lipschultz, Sr. Director Merger & Acquisition Integration and Corporate Project Management Due diligence covers deal terms, but it doesn't cover what happens once you're running payroll, benefits, and banking in a country you've never operated in before. A legal entity change can lock a company out of its own bank account overnight. Benefits plans get frozen in by local law. A language rollout can hit five systems on the same go-live day. And having handled one acquisition in a country doesn't guarantee the next one plays out the same way. Jennifer Lipschultz has led integration on more than 20 acquisitions across the Netherlands, Sweden, Germany, and India for ECI Software Solutions, a PE-backed SMB software company operating in 80 countries. If your next acquisition involves operating somewhere new, this is the walkthrough to have ready before you find yourself improvising in real time. What You'll Learn Why a legal entity change can freeze a company out of its own bank account How Swedish per diem rules can turn expense reimbursements into taxable income What actually goes into a change engagement session, and why managers get briefed first How one go-live day can trigger a five-system language rollout Why fluency in one acquisition doesn't guarantee the next What belongs on a pre-close global integration checklist If you're dealing with a cross-border acquisition where the back office keeps breaking in ways diligence never caught, DealPilot, powered by M&A Science, has integration playbooks pulled from practitioners running 20-plus deals, to help you build your pre-close checklist before the surprises hit instead of after. ____________________ The Buyer-Led M&A™ Summit is back August 18th, free and virtual. We're releasing the State of AI in M&A 2026 report live at the event before it goes public. Benchmark your program, hear from practitioners across the industry, and leave with a clearer picture of where dealmaking is headed. Register here: https://hubs.ly/Q04kBhzV0 ____________________ Episode Chapters [00:00] Introduction and Guest Background [03:05] From Engineering to Global Integration [06:20] What Full Absorption Really Means [08:17] The Pre-Close Integration Playbook [13:41] What Breaks First Abroad [15:49] When English Fluency Is Assumed [20:21] A Same-Day Language Rollout [22:07] Locked Out of a Bank Account [24:35] Sweden's Expense Reporting Maze [27:59] Harmonizing Benefits Across Borders [34:09] Running a Change Engagement Session [42:30] Earning Trust With Senior Leadership [44:19] Finding Risk in the Data Room [46:36] A Pre-Close Global Checklist [48:56] Lessons From Walking the Floor
August 06, 202654min
Number 5: The Real Work Behind the Close: When Judgment Beats the Checklist
Brent Baxter, Sam Delestienne, Steve Hoffman, John Strenger, and Matt Melsen Winning a banker-run auction at 5% under the highest bid. Closing a deal when co-sellers have not spoken in months. Getting through 22 countries of employment complexity with a client who refused to work with EOR providers. Acquiring a Netherlands-based public company and discovering the due diligence documents were in Dutch. These are the problems that no playbook prepares you for. Four corp dev professionals share how they handled them, and what it cost when they got it wrong. What You'll Learn How to win a competitive auction when you're not the highest bidder What seller conflict at the closing table looks like (and how to get a deal back on track) When an employer of record works in a cross-border carve-out and when it creates permanent establishment risk Why management trust in the buyer can outweigh the highest bid number What a first European acquisition actually costs in compliance, legal, and cultural surprises If you're running deals where the numbers are right but the relationship isn't, or you're in a market you haven't operated in before, DealPilot, powered by M&A Science, connects you with advisors who have closed deals in exactly that situation. ____________________ This episode of M&A Science is presented by DealRoom. DealRoom just launched the only MCP server built for Buyer-Led M&A™ — so your AI and your deal data finally work together. Connect Claude, ChatGPT, or Copilot directly to DealRoom and let your AI read your pipeline, analyze due diligence documents, and automatically write findings back. See for yourself: dealroom.net/mcp ____________________ Episode Chapters [00:00] Intro [03:12] Partners who came to blows over valuation [03:37] The closing table walkout [05:47] Every deal craters on Friday [07:54] Why managing emotions is the hardest job after LOI [13:30] A door blows off an Alaska Airlines jet mid-process [16:00] Winning at $15M under the highest bid [18:23] Trust and reputation as deal currency [23:09] The "baby ugly" lesson [25:06] Preempting banker processes [32:14] What EOR is and when it works [33:52] Permanent establishment risk with C-level hires [34:48] CBA compliance across 22 countries [40:38] First European cross-border acquisition [42:38] Dutch documents and data residency surprises [46:20] Why in-person matters more in Europe [50:38] The $100M tax exposure that was not real [55:57] Outro
June 11, 202658min