Mark Webber and fast jet pilot Ben Murphy of Red Arrows, The Blades and Red Bull Air Race fame discuss what it takes to stay at the top of your game and the impending return to action in F1. The two first met when Ben flew Mark in formation with David Coulthard and Steve Jones over Silverstone Circuit as part of Channel 4's build up to the 2019 British Grand Prix. F1 fan Ben, former commander of the world famous Red Arrows, discusses the importance of never giving up when aiming for your dream career. Mark debates the intensity of the new F1 season, why the Austrian GP is the perfect location for the opening race, former Red Bull Racing team mate Sebastian Vettel's exit from Ferrari and why Lewis Hamilton remains the most formidable force in F1. A usual Mark is straight talking and insightful, taking the time to explain his own fascination with flying and why managing risk is all part of living life to the full. Ben describes his own career journey, one which has taken him into a new world of competitive flying.

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Intro recorded by: Charlie Barlow.