How do you build long-term trust between founders and investors—and what happens when that trust meets the chaos of AI-driven commerce?
 In this episode, Peter Harris and Jon Bradshaw sit down with Kimberly Shenk, founder & CEO of Novi, and Brian Rothenberg, partner at DeFi VC, to explore:

• How past working relationships shape investor–founder dynamics
• The art of saying “no” without burning bridges
• Why small brands can outrank giants in AI-powered shopping
• The death (and rebirth) of SEO in the LLM era
• Real frameworks for finding product-market fit

 “Machines care more about truth; humans are easily persuaded.”
A high-signal, no-fluff conversation on the future of trust, data, and growth in the age of AI.

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