Sal is joined by Matt Katz of Caldera, and Neel Somani of Eclipse. Caldera is a no-code web3 infrastructure platform, trying to simplify the process of creating app-specific blockchains so builders can create layer-2 blockchains in a matter of hours. Eclipse is Ethereum’s fastest L2, powered by the Solana Virtual Machine - a new kind of architecture built to power the next generation of decentralized applications.

0:00 Welcome Matt and Neel!

1:14 High Level Approaches of Caldera and Eclipse

6:07 Why build on Caldera or Eclipse and not directly on an L1?

13:51 The State of the Solana & SVM Infrastructure Ecosystem

15:30 The Current and Future State of Chain Feature Differentiation

27:52 The Economics of Caldera and Eclipse Over Time

38:08 How Best To Serve the DePIN Compatibility Use Case

42:40 SVM or New “Next-Gen” VM’s?

45:43 How Caldera and Eclipse Sell DePIN Founders

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