Today on the pod we are joined by Matthew Caws, singer and songwriter of one of my very favorite band, Nada Surf. Matthew, as you'll hear, is an exceedingly kind and thoughtful soul and I had such a great time talking.

We discuss the connection between philosophy and pop music, Matthew explains why he writes about love so much and what kinds of love he is singing about, we hear his early reflections on wonder and growing up in Manhattan and so much more.

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