In this episode Admiral Foggo and Dr. Steve Wills sits down with the Honorable Stephen Carmel for a wide-ranging conversation on the future of U.S. maritime policy, shipbuilding, and national security. Drawing on decades of industry and policy experience, Carmel discusses lessons from history, the evolving role of the Maritime Administration, and the strategic challenges facing the U.S. merchant fleet.Season 5 of Maritime Nation is produced in partnership with Johnson Group Defense.