Method & Madness

This is part 8 of Kristin's story.
Join Dawn as she travels to Minneapolis to meet the O'Connell family in person. While there, a recorded interview between an Ovid resident and a private investigator in 1988 is listened to and it reveals some truths about Kristin's final days. 

CALL TO ACTION
If you have any information about Kristin’s case and want to submit a tip, please do so by contacting:
Peter McCadden of the New York State Police:
(585)398-4125

You can also share this episode and Kristin’s story on social media - there is power in numbers and someone knows something. 

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Method & Madness is researched, written, hosted, & produced by Dawn Cate
Sound Editing by moInspo
Music by Tymur Khakimov from Pixabay
Music by Alex_Kizenkov from Pixabay 

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The Hanson family always backed the blue. They had no reason not to. Until, in January 2019 when tragedy took 24-year-old Heather Hanson’s life. It was a knock at the door that every parent dreads. Law enforcement arrived at the Hanson’s doorstep and delivered the unimaginable news; Heather had been in a car accident on her way to work at a pediatrician’s office. Sadly, Heather didn’t make it. And questions would nag at her mother Carla as more and more evidence came out about the crash; and ultimately revealed that something was not right.
 
This is Heather’s story.
 
Thank you to Carla Hanson for joining me and telling your story.
 
CALL TO ACTION:
Join the 2 Facebook groups and look out for a call to action, coming soon. You can help us get Justice For Heather. 
https://www.facebook.com/JusticeForHeatherHanson 
 (1) Justice for Heather Lenaye Hanson #WWHD | Facebook
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Sound Editing by moInspo
Music by Tymur Khakimov from Pixabay
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Trigger Warning: This episode features themes of child abuse, intimate partner violence, domestic abuse, and sexual abuse.
9-month-old Jacob Landin was injured at home on April 9th, 1987 in New Mexico. He later died in the hospital of blunt force trauma to the head. It was a case that got no media attention back then; but due to the tireless efforts of Jacob’s mother Brenda and big brother Eric, the case has recently been reopened. However, there is still work to be done. Join Dawn and special guest Eric Carter-Landin as we dive into the whole story- how the bad guy is sometimes right under your nose, protected by the good guys - and the heroes emerge from the most unexpected of places.
 
This is Jacob’s story.
 
CALL TO ACTION:
Share Jacob’s Story with a friend! You can also click on the link below to donate to the cause- Eric is hiring a private investigator to gather evidence and build a case in order to get justice for Jacob. 
https://gofund.me/74244b6d

Subscribe to Eric’s podcast
 True Consequences
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Resources:
National Domestic Violence Hotline:
1-800-799-SAFE or text “start” to 88788 
National Child Abuse Hotline/Childhelp 
1-800-4-A-CHILD (1-800-422-4453)
www.childhelp.org National Sexual Assault Hotline 
1-800-656-4673 (HOPE)
www.rainn.org
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Method & Madness is researched, written, hosted, & produced by Dawn Cate

Sound Editing by moInspo
Music by Tymur Khakimov from Pixabay
Music by Astrofreq from Pixabay

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This is part 7 of Kristin’s story. It is recommended that you start with Part 1 first, released on March 7, 2023.

Kristin O’Connell’s time in Ovid, NY was short. Today we’ll discuss the steps she took from the time she arrived in the tiny rural town, to the night she took a walk and encountered true darkness. Plus- Dawn poses possible answers to two of the nagging questions from this case.
 
CALL TO ACTION
 Kristin’s case CAN be solved. Please sign the petition and demand that the NYSP use an outside lab to test the DNA:
Sign Here

If you have any information about Kristin’s case and want to submit a tip, please do so by contacting:
Peter McCadden of the New York State Police:

(585)398-4125

You can also share this episode and Kristin’s story on social media - there is power in numbers and someone knows something.

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Method & Madness is researched, written, hosted, & produced by Dawn Cate

Sound Editing by moInspo

Music by Tymur Khakimov from Pixabay
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Don Henley's 1985 Concert & Tour History | Concert Archives

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They were constant companions until the bitter, heartbreaking end. 18-year-old Gail Schultz and her 12-year-old brother Paul “Butchie” Schultz bundled up on March 7, 1953, and headed for an afternoon walk. Gail, a recent high school graduate wanted nothing more than to spend time with her sibling who was born with special needs. But when the pair failed to return home after several hours, their worried father made a horrific discovery.

If you have any information about the murders of Gail and Paul "Butchie" Schultz, please contact the Pennslyvania State Police:
Lieutenant Adam Reed 717-705-3893
 www.psp.pa.gov
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Method & Madness is researched, written, hosted, & produced by Dawn Cate

Sound Editing by moInspo
Music by Tymur Khakimov from Pixabay
Music by AudiolistProduction from Pixabay
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Case Update! On October 8th, 2025, Grayson County District Attorney John Kermit Hill made an important announcement. A grand jury indicted Cory Foster on manslaughter charges in connection with the death of Katie Palmer. After a painful 5 and a half years of fighting, Katie’s loved ones have one big step toward justice.

This episode is being re-released ad-free in honor of Katie Palmer and her family. On Tuesday, April 21st, 2020, 39-year-old John Palmer and his wife, 38-year-old Katie Palmer set out for a morning walk in their rural neighborhood in Denison, Texas. It was a sunny morning with temperatures in the mid-60s. The road they were walking is residential- with homes and a country club- not a road with significant traffic early in the morning. There are no sidewalks and the couple was walking facing the direction of oncoming traffic. At 7:45 am, as they walked alongside the asphalt road- they were hit from behind- by their neighbor Cory Foster, who was driving a 2019 Ford F250 pickup truck.

John and Katie didn’t even hear the truck coming- they were both injured, Katie, fatally. Katie passed away from her injuries the next day, just after midnight. John has recovered and has spent every day since, not only grieving the loss of his soulmate; but also waiting for and then fighting for justice. The man that killed his wife had alcohol in his system, was driving with a fogged-up windshield, on the wrong side of the road, and still walks free.

Thank you to John Palmer for joining me and for fighting for Katie every single day. Join the fight: ⁠Justice for Katie Palmer | Facebook⁠ ___________________________________________________________

Method & Madness is researched, written, hosted, and produced by Dawn Cate

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This is the 6th part in a series. 

Today, we hear from Kyle O’Connell, brother of Kristin. 
You’ll hear in Kyle’s own words what a homicide does to a family, particularly an unsolved one because every day without answers is unpredictable. The phone ringing at any time- during dinner, after 9 PM -is this finally it? There are those moments that come sporadically, without notice,  when an investigator says they’re close…only for another decade to go by. This is Kristin’s story, told by those who are fighting for her.
There are memories that time does not erase... Forever does not make loss forgettable, only bearable. -Cassandra Clare
 
CALL TO ACTION
Kristin’s case CAN be solved. Please sign the petition and demand that the NYSP use an outside lab to test the DNA:
Petition · Family Demands DNA Testing by an Outside Lab in the Kristin O'Connell Cold Case · Change.org

If you have any information about Kristin’s case and want to submit a tip, please do so by contacting:
Peter McCadden of the New York State Police:
(585)398-4125 

You can also share this episode and Kristin’s story on social media - there is power in numbers and someone knows something.


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Method & Madness is researched, written, hosted, & produced by Dawn Cate

Sound Editing by moInspo

Music by Tymur Khakimov from Pixabay
Music by Alex_Kizenkov from Pixabay

This episode was made possible thanks to the following people: Courtney Fenner, Christopher Pavlik & Jolynn Rice

The investigative work of Noel Hotchkiss & Preston Felton

The family & friends of Kristin: Phyllis O’Connell, Barb Baer, Shannon Harris, Phil Riedel 
Thank you, Kyle.
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This is the 5th part in a series. 
Today, we’re talking about more twists and turns in a 37-year-long investigation. Plus, DNA, mishandled evidence, and advocacy.

Correction: The forensic lab that offered to test evidence in 2021 was not a New York-permitted lab. This has been corrected in the audio of this episode. I apologize for the error.

This is Kristin’s story, told by those who are fighting for her. 
Thank you to Jolynn Rice, founder of Cold Case Advocacy. 

CALL TO ACTION
Kristin’s case CAN be solved. Please sign the petition and demand that the NYSP use an outside lab to test the DNA: 

Sign Here

If you have any information about Kristin’s case and want to submit a tip, please do so by contacting:
Peter McCadden of the New York State Police: (585)398-4125

You can also share this episode and Kristin’s story on social media - there is power in numbers and someone knows something.  

Make sure to join the Facebook Group:
Justice for Kristin O'Connell

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Method & Madness is researched, written, hosted, & produced by Dawn Cate

Sound Editing by moInspo
Music by Tymur Khakimov from Pixabay

This episode was made possible thanks to the following people: Courtney Fenner, Christopher Pavlik & Jolynn Rice
The investigative work of Noel Hotchkiss & Preston Felton
The family & friends of Kristin: Phyllis O’Connell, Barb Baer, Shannon Harris, Phil Riedel ____________________________________ 
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This is the 4th part in a series. 
“There may be times when we are powerless to prevent injustice, but there must never be a time when we fail to protest.”― Elie Wiesel

In part 4; another tip comes in years after Kristin’s murder, what the crime scene may say about the killer, the possibility that this was a random killing, and how a hidden file may reveal more than just an incompetent investigator.

This is Kristin’s story, told by those who are fighting for her. 

CALL TO ACTION
Kristin’s case CAN be solved. Please sign the petition and demand that the NYSP use an outside lab to test the DNA: 
Sign Here

If you have any information about Kristin’s case and want to submit a tip, please do so by contacting:
Peter McCadden of the New York State Police: (585)398-4125

You can also share this episode and Kristin’s story on social media - there is power in numbers and someone knows something.

Make sure to join the Facebook Group: Justice for Kristin O'Connell ___________________________________
Method & Madness is researched, written, hosted, & produced by Dawn Cate

Sound Editing by moInspo
Music by Tymur Khakimov from Pixabay
Music by Ashot-Danielyan-Composer from Pixabay
Sound Effect by SergeQuadrado from Pixabay

This episode was made possible thanks to the following people: Courtney Fenner, Christopher Pavlik & Jolynn Rice The investigative work of Noel Hotchkiss & Preston Felton The family & friends of Kristin: Phyllis O’Connell, Barb Baer, Shannon Harris, Phil Riedel ____________________________________ 
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This is the 3rd part in a series. 
In part 3 of Kristin’s story, we explore those early days, immediately following Ovid’s brutal murder. A call to police is either a tip or a diversion, an FBI agent that Kristin met before visiting Ovid is hard to track down, and finally - we discuss a witness account of men, covered in blood.

Also- we’ll talk more about theories and possible motives that have been introduced over the years, after careful investigation.

This is Kristin’s story, told by those who are fighting for her. 

CALL TO ACTION

Can you identify the voice on the 1985 call to the police?

If you have any information about Kristin’s case and want to submit a tip, please do so by contacting:
Trooper Peter McCadden of the New York State Police: (585)398-4125 
Kristin’s case CAN be solved.

Please sign the petition and demand that the NYSP use an outside lab to test the DNA:
Sign Here

You can also share this episode and Kristin’s story on social media - there is power in numbers and someone knows something.

Make sure to join the Facebook Group:
 Justice for Kristin O'Connell

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Method & Madness is researched, written, hosted, & produced by Dawn Cate

Sound Editing by moInspo
Music by Tymur Khakimov from Pixabay
Music by SoundGalleryByDmitryTaras from Pixabay
Music by SamuelFrancisJohnson from Pixabay
Music by orangery from Pixabay

This episode was made possible thanks to the following people: Courtney Fenner, Christopher Pavlik & Jolynn Rice
The investigative work of Noel Hotchkiss & Preston Felton The family & friends of Kristin: Phyllis O’Connell, Barb Baer, Shannon Harris, Phil Riedel
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