Cal talks with the author of Let's Talk About Death (Over Dinner) at just the right time – prior to watching his first funeral over Zoom. Cal's questions about death, the coronavirus and our country's health lead to a very unexpected place: a way of using Hebb's thought-provoking conversations about death as a different kind of vaccine against COVID 19. These conversations could lead to a change in our thinking and our behavior, and actually protect us. Cal plans to listen to this back and forth again. Please, get the most out of it.