Curt Jaimungal talks with Michael Levin and Karl Friston about how the free energy principle and entropy shape self-organization and our perception of reality. They explore creativity, aging, the nature of selfhood, and the constructive role of science in biology and psychology.

- 00:00 - Introduction
- 3:43 - The Free Energy Principle Explained
- 5:41 - Creativity and Adaptive Utilization
- 11:56 - In-Painting vs. Out-Painting
- 15:33 - The Unreliable Medium of Biology
- 20:05 - Aging: Noise or Psychological?
- 25:25 - The Nature of Selfhood
- 45:10 - Distinctions in Organic and Psychological Disease
- 48:54 - Goal-Directed Systems and Aging
- 52:32 - The Dynamics of Life and Death
- 55:49 - Continuous Self in a Changing Form
- 1:01:35 - The Constructive Nature of Science
- 1:08:02 - Inferring Actions and Counterfactuals
- 1:11:40 - Closing Thoughts and Future Conversations

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RESOURCES:

- Michael's website: https://thoughtforms.life/
- Karl's publications: https://www.fil.ion.ucl.ac.uk/~karl/
- Michael's previous appearance on TOE: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2aLhkm6QUgA
- Karl's previous appearance on TOE: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uk4NZorRjCo
- Michael on Anthrobots: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hG6GIzNM0aM
- Michael's paper on stress sharing as cognitive glue for collective intelligences: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0006291X2400932X?ref=pdf_download&fr=RR-2&rr=911840d57c51eace
- Karl and Michael with Chris Fields on TOE: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J6eJ44Jq_pw
- Karl Friston on the 'Free Energy Principle' on TOE: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2v7LBABwZKA
- Michael's recent paper with Chris Fields: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1571064525000089?dgcid=coauthor
- Top-down models in biology (paper): https://royalsocietypublishing.org/doi/epdf/10.1098/rsif.2016.0555
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