In this episode Michael Levin, Karl Friston, and Chris Fields tackle the meta hard problem of consciousness, exploring self‑organization, babbling, and the emergence of cognition. They debate whether society functions as a giant brain and examine the role of quantum randomness in consciousness.

- 0:00:00 - Introduction
- 00:03:20 - Levin: respect for Chris/Karl
- 00:04:45 - Fields: respect for Michael/Karl
- 00:05:45 - Friston: respect for Chris/Michael
- 00:07:46 - Self‑organization and autopoiesis
- 00:12:11 - Emergence of cognition
- 00:14:18 - Perception of independent things
- 00:18:40 - Cognition vs consciousness
- 00:22:03 - The Meta Hard Problem
- 00:30:37 - Complexity and awareness
- 00:35:56 - Society as a brain?
- 00:44:17 - Agency duality
- 00:51:32 - Babbling and self
- 01:11:22 - 300 ms unit of consciousness
- 01:15:49 - Quantum babbling
- 01:21:49 - Randomness vs quantum randomness
- 01:30:03 - External vs internal reality
- 01:33:41 - Studying consciousness and existential dread
- 01:48:19 - Levin: deep importance
- 01:51:12 - Science starts with faith

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