Mike Scannell talks to Sarah Lorge Butler about coaching Grant Fisher to Olympic Bronze medals in the 5,000m and 10,000m last year, as well as two indoor world records in February.

Some Highlights:

• Discussion of Grant and Mike's post-Olympic recovery
• The importance of pacers maintaining rhythm in high-stakes races
• Grant thanking his pacer mid-race, while setting the indoor 5,000m world record
• What makes Grant unique, from a mental standpoint
• On whether it's harder to get high school kids to commit to working hard than it was 10 years ago
• High school kids being "mindless balls of clay"
• Is Mike still seeking a training partner for Grant?
• Mike's running, and how he tests all of the workouts he assigns on himself first
• How, at age 62, he remains healthy enough to do so
• How he got into coaching
• On learning from other coaches.
• How he'll approach Grand Slam Track, from a training perspective
• When Grant will run a marathon

Sarah's Runner's World article on the four pacers who helped Grant Fisher set his two world records this winter: https://www.runnersworld.com/news/a63875236/grant-fisher-pacers-world-records/

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