Recorded during the 2025 edition of Amsterdam Dance Event, this episode is sponsored by Jägermeister's Save The Night.

Born in 2020 as an emergency response to the pandemic, Save The Night has grown into a global platform that supports the people and ideas keeping nightlife alive.

Through its annual Fund, Jägermeister provides €156,000 in funding, mentorship and visibility to bold projects - from making dancefloors more accessible, to pioneering greener club nights, to amplifying voices from grassroots creative communities.

Applications are now open for the Save The Night Fund. If you're a creative, a promoter, a venue owner, or simply passionate about building safer, more inclusive, and more sustainable nights, this is your chance to bring your vision to life. Check out jagermeister.com/exploration/save-the-night

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Dot Major is half of NIGHT manoeuvres (with ABSOLUTE), who are releasing via fabric's label. And he is also a member of London Grammar, one of the better bands to emerge from the UK in the last decade or so. 

We discuss his gradual journey into electronic music, what it's like breaking through in a big way, and some of the unusual things he's got up to along the way. 

This is the second of our four recordings at ADE, the next one will be along shortly! 

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Chapters:

00:00 Brought to you by Acid Nation

02:40 Intro

03:00 Missing moderator

04:11 The birth of NIGHT manoeuvres

05:16 Playing the Crane at ADE

06:31 Musical roots

09:30 HYPH MNGO and Dubstep

12:00 The roots of London Grammar

14:24 Blending live and electronic worlds

17:00 DJing, skill, and the soul of performance

20:06 Technology always wins

24:06 Baptism of fire at Printworks

28:03 Ibiza memories & the Lynx Africa hot tub

31:00 NIGHT manoeuvres from studio to stage

33:15 Gear talk

36:00 AI talk and the future of music

41:11 Favourite Dance albums

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Recorded during the 2025 edition of Amsterdam Dance Event.

This episode is sponsored by Jägermeister's Save The Night.

Born in 2020 as an emergency response to the pandemic, Save The Night has grown into a global platform that supports the people and ideas keeping nightlife alive.

Through its annual Fund, Jägermeister provides €156,000 in funding, mentorship and visibility to bold projects - from making dancefloors more accessible, to pioneering greener club nights, to amplifying voices from grassroots creative communities.

Applications are now open for the Save The Night Fund. If you're a creative, a promoter, a venue owner, or simply passionate about building safer, more inclusive, and more sustainable nights, this is your chance to bring your vision to life. Check out jagermeister.com/exploration/save-the-night

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The first of four conversations recorded at ADE last week. 

Joris Voorn is a key figure in Dutch house and techno, and actually the genre as a whole. 

Releasing albums since 2004, he's been a fixture on the biggest stages for basically the entirety of the intervening period, and carved out a distinctive sound without ever pandering to the fashions of the day. 

He's also thoroughly nice chap who talks very well about the music and culture that surrounds it. 

Stay tuned for the other three conversations coming over the course of the next couple of weeks.

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Listen to the music discussed on the show via the Music Not Diving Podcast Spotify playlist

Chapters:

02:30 Intro

04:18 ADE & Amsterdam

06:15 Ibiza: Then vs. Now

10:53 Genres

14:35 Minimal was a shockwave

16:27 Albums & consistency

19:50 “I thought you needed a 303 to make Techno”

23:57 Carl Cox the kingmaker

26:08 “All the music I made, probably 1% got released”

34:00 Creative change and backlash

36:10 ‘Serotonin’ and personal loss

38:09 The songwriting process

44:00 “You can’t tell if it’s AI or Human anymore”

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Perc is one of modern techno's reference points: an internationally touring DJ and live act, founder of the scene-leading Perc Trax label and one of the most respected producers in techno today.

We discuss his early period of hardware experimentation, the birth of Perc the artist project as well as the Perc Trax label, recent developments in techno, and the evolution of his sound. 

This is a crucial conversation with one of the absolute key figures in the history of UK techno. Get involved! 

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You can also make a one-off donation to the podcast using a card, with Paypal, or your Ethereum wallet! Head over to scubaofficial.io/support.

Plus there's also a private area for Patreon supporters in the Hotflush Discord Server... but anyone can join the conversation in the public channels.

Listen to the music discussed on the show via the Music Not Diving Podcast Spotify playlist

Chapters:

00:00 Brought to you by Acid Nation

02:23 Perc

04:27 Techno DJing today

06:26 A weekend of cancellations

07:24 Tresor and Techno

11:26 Berghain reflections

18:39 Early life & musical roots

21:13 From Metal bands to machines

26:35 Studying Music Production

36:07 The birth of Perc

39:59 Working at Prime

48:01 Collapse of vinyl's golden age

50:58 Life after Prime

55:50 Learning the label game

59:30 Nucleus records and gaming the charts

01:05:30 Perctrax

01:09:00 Social media, hype, and longevity

01:13:25 Mentoring challenges

01:16:40 Tiptoeing around Hard Techno

01:24:43 The worst thing for Perctrax

01:26:00 Best Techno parties now

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A boycott is the end of a conversation, not the start. 

On Music Not Diving this week, we discuss whether Spotify is such an exceptional case of evil that it deserves be made an example of, or whether there might be another platform, for instance one owned by a Communist dictatorship, which might better fit the bill. 

And we give thanks to Cory Doctorow for his theoretical underpinning to the episode, which also features in the title! 

Chapters:

00:00 Brought to you by Acid Nation

04:00 Enshittification

13:27 The Napster era

18:40 Is Spotify a special case?

25:00 AI music in streaming

31:15 Tiktok is a music streamer

37:55 The real problem is distribution

41:45 Do labels still add value?

Honestly this could easily have been twice as long and there are many issues which are omitted or insufficiently covered... but it took nearly a whole day to record and edit and that's about the limit of my pay grade! 

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You can also make a one-off donation to the podcast using a card, with Paypal, or your Ethereum wallet! Head over to scubaofficial.io/support.

Plus there's also a private area for Patreon supporters in the Hotflush Discord Server... but anyone can join the conversation in the public channels.

Listen to the music discussed on the show via the Music Not Diving Podcast Spotify playlist

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DJ Bone is a legend of Detroit techno, and previous guest on the original version of this show, episode 73 of the Not A Diving Podcast.

We discuss the latest goings on between Motor City and his adopted home of Amsterdam, his recent album The End Of Never... and whether DJs really need to learn how to beatmatch. 

A welcome return from one of our favourite guests in the history of the show! 

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Chapters:

00:00 Brought to you by Acid Nation

03:00 DJ Bone

05:18 “Professor Bone time”

07:01 Prince, Mojo & the birth of Detroit Techno loyalty

012:26 “People forgot how to rave”

15:30 Creeping commercialisation

21:00 Music and distribution

23:15 10,000 vinyl records

30:20 Beatmatching is DJing 101

35:49 The next gen and mentorship

41:03 “They're too worried about a career before they hone their craft”

47:00 Music is therapy and the album process

57:00 Playing your own music out

62:00 Detroit vs the world

01:06:10 Aphex Twins and Moodymann

01:11:00 Techno is political

01:22:30 Homeless homies

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Paul Ćinske is the man behind every single booking at the most important club in the history of techno (maybe)... Tresor.

We discuss the current state of the Berlin scene, the changes since the trauma of the pandemic, his role at the venue in detail, the importance of one person steering the creative ship of a club like Tresor... and much else besides.

We haven't had anything quite like this on the show before, and Paul does not disappoint!

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Chapters:

00:00 Intro

02:00 Paul Ćinske

04:22 That classic Berlin cliche

08:22 Future Music and the Melbourne scene

09:00 Berlin’s clubbing landscape

11:48 First impressions of Berlin

14:45 Berlin = Techno city

17:25 Small venues and the ecosystem

21:50 Has raving in a dark room become less attractive?

25:00 Less stigma with older ravers

31:10 Ticketing culture vs. Berlin’s door policy

35:05 If FWD was down to ticket figures…

38:30 Working as Tresor’s booker

46:00 OM is the great humbler

47:30 Tresor’s reopening & post-pandemic recovery

54:02 Creative direction of Tresor

01:04:00 Legacy, identity & the future

01:09:30 Büro Siebzig

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Returning guest Darren Hemmings is a music marketing expert and the founder of a creative marketing agency specialising in music called Motive Unknown.

He's also the author of the excellent Network Notes Substack.

How do you break through in 2025? How do you even get your music heard? These problems are as pertinent for acts signed to big labels as it is for people just starting out.

Is streaming a problem? And what is the role of labels today? We address all these things and much more besides in a vital conversation for anyone with even a passing interest in music, the industry, and the development of culture in today’s big tech- dominated world.

This is a great conversation with a returning guest who will definitely be on the show again!

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Plus there's also a private area for Patreon supporters in the Hotflush Discord Server... but anyone can join the conversation in the public channels.

Listen to the music discussed on the show via the Music Not Diving Podcast Spotify playlist

Chapters:

02:41 Intro

04:34 Music marketing: constantly changing… or just copycatting?

07:59 The Death of Monoculture

12:30 Why do labels exist anymore?

14:35 Labels as a nexus point

18:05 Big Tech hates teenage girls

20:07 Music is worth… nothing

22:07 Flood the market with crap

26:10 Sorry, but not everyone’s an artist

27:13 Raves without phones

29:55 The “S” word

35:53 The importance of local scenes

39:20 What does change look like

44:46 Déjà Vu: The next music industry collapse

48:23 Oasis, K-Pop, and the price of nostalgia

55:00 Did Indie labels blow their shot?

56:05 Private equity, KKR and boycotting

01:04:21 The role of journalism and criticism

01:08:14 Is Gen Z missing out?

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Jamz Supernova is one of the UK’s most respected DJs and broadcasters. Best known for her shows on BBC Radio 1Xtra and BBC 6 Music, she's built a reputation as a champion of forward-thinking sounds, spanning R&B, future soul, club music, and the global underground.

Beyond her broadcasting career, Jamz is also the founder of Future Bounce, the label and club brand that has become a platform for innovative new talent. From curating radio shows and festival stages to running her own imprint, she has established herself as a key voice shaping the conversation around contemporary music in the UK and beyond.

We discuss her experiences in broadcasting, the various ways people find their way in music careers, and what it's like being a judge on the Mercury Music Prize.

Get involved!

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Plus there's also a private area for Patreon supporters in the Hotflush Discord Server... but anyone can join the conversation in the public channels.

Listen to the music discussed on the show via the Music Not Diving Podcast Spotify playlist

Chapters:

00:00 Intro

03:10 Podcast vs. Radio

06:30 Getting into the industry

09:52 Influences and aspirations

12:03 Deptford, Millwall and gentrification

13:48 Radio does nothing for kids

18:20 The biggest challenge for artists

18:44 2008 Financial crash and DIY Hustle

19:57 Starting at 1Xtra

26:40 Black British Music in the mainstream

30:02 “You shouldn’t like everything I play”

34:26 Brit School

40:35 UK Funky, Dubstep and Rinse

44:44 Traumatic first DJ gig

49:14 “I’m never mixing RnB and Hip-Hop”

53:17 Gilles Peterson

56:00 Being a multi-genre DJ

59:03 Bridging Radio and Club audiences

01:03:40 The homogenisation of production

01:07:50 Being a Mercury Prize judge

01:13:50 The genius of Dizzee Rascal

01:15:42 Artistic freedom

01:16:55 Predjudice and Radio 6

01:20:08 3 Biggest tunes of the Summer

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Pendulum are the biggest Drum n Bass act of all time. A controversial statement perhaps but one that ChatGPT agrees with. 

El Hornet is the band's DJ, a member since day 1 of Pendulum in Perth, Australia, and a man who has been on every step of the journey along with Rob Swire and Gareth McGrillen. 

They have a new album out called Inertia, and it's their first one since 2010. It's both very modern and very recognisable as a Pendulum record, which might say as much about their wider influence on dance music as anything else. 

We discuss the scene in 90s Perth, playing in punk bands, moving to the UK in 2003, taking over the scene and ultimately outgrowing it. Oh and playing before Beyoncé at Glastonbury. 

Some mad stuff in this one - you're gonna enjoy it! 

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Listen to the music discussed on the show via the Music Not Diving Podcast Spotify playlist

Chapters:

00:00 Join Acid Nation

00:59 Intro

02:43 El Hornet

03:14 The new album

06:40 The influence on Skrillex

08:00 Breaking the DnB mould

08:57 Knife Party and being competitive

09:52 DJing after Andy C

11:09 Lightening up

13:03 “You blink and you’re a legacy act’

19:03 Genres are important

20:50 Dubstep in the US

26:07 Perth, Australia

35:14 Mining and meth

39:15 Moving to the UK

51:10 Breaking through

57:15 The new record

01:03:00 The DnB ethos

01:05:28 Singing over Drum n Bass

01:08:06 Current state of the scene

01:11:00 Beyoncé at Glastonbury

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We are finally back with a brand new episode!

Kelly Lee Owens is one of the most notable UK electronic musicians to emerge over the last decade. An album artist, she released her first LP back in 2017 and the most recent, Dreamstate was released on dh2 in 2024.

We discuss her past as a Taekwondo black belt, experiences with the supernatural, making music without knowledge of theory, the mechanics of releasing music today, as well as the challenges facing musicians and the scene more widely.

This is a good one!

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Chapters:

00:00 Intro

03:18 Episode starts

03:43 Wrestling stan

06:13 The 5 tenets needed for Taekwondo and Music

07:30 Haunted hotels

10:35 Welsh folklore and wizardry

17:40 Music theory and the decline of music education

27:45 Waiting for the magic to happen

28:54 The importance of collaboration

32:42 "The weight of an album will never change''

39:10 The creative process shouldn't be easy

43:30 Making the first album

49:55 The album campaign lifecycle

54:58 The rise in marketing and branding

58:40 Flogging artists and mental health

01:04:16 Working as a nurse

01:05:22 Ozzy Osbourne

01:07:24 The importance of a manager

01:09:45 Getting into Dance music

01:12:58 Decline of small venues and culture

01:18:23 The rise in touring costs

01:20:24 The Festivalisation of Dance Music

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