Robyn and Jamie are joined by Times journalist Jessie Hewitson whose son has a diagnosis of autism.

She says that, when she first found out, she was attending typical local play activities with him. "I was taking him to those God awful music groups that you take toddlers to. They were absolute hell for my son - he was trying to escape I now realise."

She talks candidly about the first time it

Jessie is the author of Autism: How to raise a happy autistic child, published earlier in 2018.

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