Nate Soares is the President of the Machine Intelligence Research Institute. He has been working in the field for over a decade, after previous experience at Microsoft and Google. He’s the author of a large body of technical and semi-technical writing on AI alignment, including foundational work on value learning, decision theory, and power-seeking incentives in smarter-than-human AIs.

Nate joins me for a fascinating yet terrifying conversation about the existential threat of Artificial Intelligence, which is the subject of his 2025 book If Anyone Builds It, Everyone Dies: Why Superhuman AI Would Kill Us. Don't miss this sobering, eye-opening chat you'll never forget!

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Produced by Andy Ostroy, Matty Rosenberg, and Jennifer Hammoud