Nature Untold

Nature Untold

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Nature Untold episodes

  • Ep 31: Internal Wisdom with Matt Samet

    Matt Samet is a climber of 35 years based in Boulder, Colorado, where he lives with his family in the plains east of town. He is the former editor of Climbing Magazine as well as the author of the Climbing Dictionary and the memoir Death Grip: A Climber’s Escape from Benzo Madness.

    In this episode, John and Matt discuss:

    • Growing up in Albuquerque
    • How bouldering led to more sport climbing and beyond
    • The sport of climbing and the unspoken push towards lightness
    • How he got introduced to Benzodiazepines
    • A voice inside asking “if this makes me feel this good now, I wonder if there will be a price to pay”
    • What happens when you build a tolerance to Benzos
    • Tapering off of Benzos with the help of a psychiatrist
    • The medical professionals Matt came across during his time coming off of psych meds and how patient advocacy has improved the experience of taking and coming off of these types of medications
    • How reading a ton about the reality of psych meds helped Matt understand his own experience more
    • The universal threads of addiction recovery
    • Coming in and out of climbing
    • The importance of climbing with people who understand and empathize with Matt’s journey
    • Invisible chronic illness and the lack of understanding and empathy from the general public
    • Internal wisdom being your best guide
    • Laying the hard groundwork early
    • This episode is sponsored by Bigger Life Adventures. Founders and owners, Carrie and Zach, created an amazing retreat company to help folks heal and recover, whether it’s from addiction, trauma, or anything else that ails us. They have scholarships available because they believe that everyone should have access to these types of retreats. If you’re interested in attending a retreat, use code NATUREUNTOLD for $50 off your purchase. Learn more here!

      Thank you, as always, for listening to this episode. Please follow along on the show’s Instagram, our private Facebook group, or wherever you’d like.

      57 min
    • Ep 30: Being Brave For Yourself with Kara Hoisington

      Kara Hoisington (she/her) is a true New Englander. Growing up on the mountains of Maine and currently living in Vermont, Kara is an All-American ski racer and avid hiker. Her day job is as a Principal Consultant at a leading market research firm. In the past year, she got divorced from her husband of one-year and is on the road to better understanding and forgiving herself to rid the habit of engaging in toxic relationships.

      In this episode, Kara and John discuss:

      • Recovery from a relationship
      • The duality of an individual
      • Clinging to a story that you’re trying to build versus the experience that you’re living
      • How recovery from a relationship can mirror recovery from substance use
      • Boundaries
      • How having a grit mentality can get in the way of healing
      • How love is not always enough to make a marriage work
      • Getting out of the relationship leading to her getting back outside again
      • How doing what you love can attract better people in your life
      • Letting yourself have the full experience
      • Allowing yourself to be content or feel positive about going through a negative experience
      • Thank you, as always, for listening to this episode. Please follow along on the show’s Instagram, our private Facebook group, or wherever you’d like.

        1 hr 4 min
      • Ep 29: More Fun Than Ever with Spencer Harkins

        Spencer Harkins (he/him) is a skier and Brand guy for the infamous Pit Viper. He lives in Little Cottonwood Canyon, Utah, and sends the gnar.

        In this episode, John and Spencer chat about:

        • His early ski days in Massachusetts and how he realized street skiing wasn’t for him
        • How an ACL injury led him to riding his road bike more, which led him to partying more
        • The final catalyst for Spencer wanting to get sober
        • What the mental clarity of sobriety opened up for him
        • How he likes to show up for folks who come to him to share their struggles
        • How Spencer manages being at drinking events now
        • The improvements he’s seen in his athletic pursuits since getting sober
        • Committing to a year of sobriety first, not forever
        • “if it’s not fun, unless you’re drunk, it’s not fun.”
        • the outdoor community celebrating and accepting getting drunk
        • You can follow along with Spencer on Instagram here.

          Thank you, as always, for listening to this episode. Please follow along on the show’s Instagram, our private Facebook group, or wherever you’d like.

          56 min
        • Ep 28: Sifting with Karen Schroeder

          Karen Schroeder (she/her/hers) is a sober ultra runner, climber, Mother Nature lover who has a passion for wild spaces and raising youth to be good stewards of them.

          She is currently working towards being the best version of herself, pushing her limits as she climbs the Rockies of Colorado. She’s training for her first official ultra race, after completing other self-supported endurance pursuits. In her free time, she’s standing on summits, dancing and promoting inclusivity, and getting curious about the rock layers of the Southwest.

          In this episode, John and Karen discuss:

          • How she incorporates her love of the outdoors into her lesson planning
          • The pandemic and how it contributed to daily drinking
          • How a dry month became three months, six months, and just eventually became continuous sobriety
          • The importance of asking ‘why’
          • How her love of physical movement and the outdoors aided in her journey towards self-awareness
          • Why Sprouts gummy bears are the absolute best
          • The addiction transfer
          • How her friendships and dating changed in sobriety
          • Red flags
          • The practices she uses now to keep
          • If you want to catch up with Karen, you can follow her here.

            Thank you, as always, for listening to this episode. Please follow along on the show’s Instagram, our private Facebook group, or wherever you’d like.

            1 hr 13 min
          • Ep 27: Clarity and Fortitude with Drew Petersen

            Content warning: this episode contains mentions of PTSD and suicidal thoughts and ideation. If that is triggering for you, you may want to skip that one and that’s totally okay! We love you either way.

            Drew Petersen (he/him) is a passionate skier, runner, and mountain athlete on a mission to change our culture surrounding mental health. In his career as a professional skier, he blends storytelling with his athletic adventures—ranging from skiing lines in the backcountry to running 100 miles—to bring people along for the ride and to advocate for things he cares about.

            In this episode, John and Drew discuss:

            • How Drew came to be a skier
            • How a traumatic accident in the mountains
            • His definition of sobriety
            • His first attempts at sobriety came from recovery from season-ending injuries
            • How masculinity plays into how much Drew felt he could share deeper issues
            • How one of his injuries led to his mental health diagnosis
            • Drew’s sobriety journey overall
            • Why clarity and fortitude within the decision of sobriety was the big game-changer
            • Getting back to socializing after the big waves of the pandemic
            • Drew’s morning routine
            • Combining skiing and running
            • Catch up with Drew here.

              You can watch the full new film, Ups and Downs.

              Thank you, as always, for listening to this episode. Please follow along on the show’s Instagram, our private Facebook group, or wherever you’d like.

              1 hr 8 min
            • Ep 26: The Bridge Back to Life with Sarah Fountain

              Sarah Fountain (she/her) is a marketing director, creative, writer, dog mom, rock climber, and general outdoors enthusiast living in Boulder, Colorado. She recently celebrated 9 years of sobriety. She also describes herself as an aggressive extrovert and empath.

              In this episode, John and Sarah discuss:

              • her day-to-day in Boulder, Colorado
              • Sarah’s recent celebration of 9 years in recovery
              • her upbringing and how she immediately felt like she was a fish out of water
              • how the first time she got drunk, she immediately thought ‘I need this’
              • her semester with NOLS and how it was essentially a detox but also she had her first big moment with the outdoors
              • her relationship with cocaine and how it became a light switch in her brain
              • how addiction can feel like a loss of trust in yourself
              • her rock bottom moment
              • how most of early recovery was about trudging the happy road
              • her move to Maine after 20 months of recovery catalyzed by her brother having Stage 4 cancer
              • how climbing and the climbing community supported her during her recovery
              • having to mourn the loss of drinking and drugging
              • dealing with cultural norms around drinking
              • her relationship with her brother, who was dying of Stage 4 cancer, and how she wouldn’t have been able to show up for him, in the same way, were it not for a 12-step program
              • staying in the right relationship with the mountains and learning from the mountains
              • keeping your side of the street clean
              • Catch up with Sarah on Instagram.

                Thank you, as always, for listening to this episode. Please follow along on the show’s Instagram, our private Facebook group, or wherever you’d like.

                1 hr
              • A Quick Update From Nature Untold

                WELP, we have a little update for you from the Nature Untold Podcast.

                As some of you may know, I’m celebrating my two-year soberversary this week and with my second year of sobriety came a lot of changes. I’ve started building my own little business, quitting my 9-5 job, and I’ve been trudging along in this life.

                I was noticing that I wasn’t able to bring as much passion to these conversations as I thought was necessary and respectful to our guests’ stories. I feel really good in my sobriety but I felt I would be doing a disservice to this podcast as a host if I went into interviews not feeling like I was giving it everything I had like I had done in the past.

                So, I reached out to John Holdmeier, a past guest and current friend. And I asked for some help - I asked him if he would be interested in doing some interviews for the Nature Untold Podcast. And he said yes!

                So, from here on out, indefinitely, John will be taking on interviews for the Nature Untold Podcast. You can catch up on his full story from Episode 5, when he was featured as a guest.

                I still fully believe in the power of this show and I think there is so much more good we can do together.

                And for a second update, we are joining a podcast network, Plug Tone Audio. Go over to their site and check out the awesome podcasts that are already part of this collective. More to come from them!

                Finally, as always, thank you so much for your support over the year plus that we’ve been producing and putting out this show. You are all the best.

                If you want to connect, feel free to follow us on Instagram or join our private Facebook group. ‘Til next episode!

                14 min
              • Ep 25: Reflections on a Year Sober with Emerald LaFortune

                Emerald LaFortune (she/her) is an outdoor writer, whitewater and flyfishing guide, as well as a community builder. She is based in rural Idaho.

                We sit down with Emerald for a follow-up from her first interview with Nature Untold, in which she talks about her year-long experiment without alcohol.

                In this episode, we discuss:

                • Her annual break from social media
                • What is bringing her joy right now
                • Where she is now with her relationship with alcohol
                • Her top takeaways from a year-long step back from alcohol
                • Her newfound trust in herself
                • How we need to examine binary-style thinking
                • Catch up with Emerald:

                  • Instagram
                  • Website
                  • Thank you, as always, for listening to this episode. Please follow along on the show’s Instagram, our private Facebook group, or wherever you’d like.

                    42 min
                  • Ep 24: Discover Yourself Again with Margaret Ward

                    Margaret Ward joins the Nature Untold Podcast as a recovery coach, sober woman, runner, mom, lawyer, and much more. She also now owns her own company that helps women in recovery get out, travel, run, and find community together.

                    During our conversation, we chat about:

                    • Knowing yourself
                    • The recovery before the sobriety
                    • What types of things she does in recovery to further her growth
                    • Her passion for creating community
                    • and much more!

                      Resources mentioned in this episode:

                      • Book: Quit Like A Woman
                      • Book: Drinking: A Love Story
                      • Book: The Good House
                      • Catch up with Margaret:

                        • Instagram 
                        • Facebook Group
                        • Website
                        • Thank you, as always, for listening to this episode. Please follow along on the show’s Instagram, our private Facebook group, or wherever you’d like.

                          49 min
                        • Ep 23: Small Habits, Incremental Increases, and Growth with Mario Molina

                          An avid alpinist, snowboarder, mountain biker, guide, and life adventurer, Molina previously served as an international director at The Climate Reality Project, where he designed the organization’s climate leadership training and oversaw its post-Paris Agreement international strategy. Prior to his work at Climate Reality, Molina led strategy and programs as deputy director at the Alliance for Climate Education (ACE). He is now the Executive Director of Protect Our Winters.

                          In this episode, we discuss:

                          • His new hobby of archery
                          • How he came to all of the outdoor sports  he plays in
                          • Mario’s 4-year full break from alcohol
                          • His relationship with alcohol growing up and into adulthood
                          • What he learned from giving up alcohol and what doors opened because of that
                          • Trying to do 4% better
                          • Getting familiar with your physiology and tweaking those pieces for optimal performance
                          • Resources mentioned:

                            • Book: Atomic Habits
                            • Book: Can’t Hurt Me
                            • Book: The Brain That Changes Itself
                            • Book: Flow
                            • Thank you, as always, for listening to this episode. Please follow along on the show’s Instagram, our private Facebook group, or wherever you’d like. 

                              32 min

                            About Nature Untold

                            From the publisher's feed

                            A podcast that explores the world of sobriety, addiction, recovery, and everything in between in the outdoor community and industry. Our goal is to normalize the discussion around these topics and offer nuanced stories that change perspectives. Started by Emily Holland, hosted by John Holdmeier.