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December 02, 2021What Pastors Should Learn From ‘The Rise and Fall of Mars Hill’
Episode 623: Podcaster Mike Cosper’s groundbreaking series, “The Rise and Fall of Mars Hill,” offers several crucial takeaways for pastors and church planters. In this second of two #NewChurches episodes, host Trevin Wax asks Cosper to share what he thinks church leaders should learn from one of the largest church planting movements in American history and its very public dissolution.
In This Episode, You’ll Discover:
Insights about “the most successful church planting generation in American history”
The crucial role mutual trust plays in any model of church polity
How a pastor can benefit from negative criticism
What the real, lasting legacy of Mars Hill Seattle will be
The danger of getting obsessed with horizons, instead of loving the people in front of you
Sharable Quotes (#NewChurches):
A lot of people went into church planting and found it to be extremely taxing in ways that were traumatic for them. Yet Leadership Network says Gen X was the most successful church planting generation in American history. – @MikeCosper
You have to define your terms. How do you measure life transformation? Are we talking about people living in community and confessing their sins to each other or are we talking about transfer growth and lots of baptisms? – @MikeCosper
People talk about pastors having character flaws, but Luther broke some eggs to make his omelettes. He was a cultural warrior. People wanted to kill him. Don’t give me a one-to-one comparison that a guy living in a comfortable suburb, who treats his staff like garbage, is “just another Luther.” That’s not an excuse. – @MikeCosper
For the most part, every stage of the Reformation was an attempt to move power, transcendence, access to God and the clarity of the gospel down to the people. We find all kinds of ways to excuse expressions of power, when power well-used throughout history is liberating for the people who live under the authority of the one who is expressing power. – @MikeCosper
Any tried, true and tested church polity probably is going to function pretty well, but at the end of the day it has to be a system where people are invested who can trust one another. – @MikeCosper
We’re slow to fire pastors when they exercise these abuses but we’re also slow to call out and discipline leaders at lower levels of the organization. We don’t want to hurt people’s feelings. We really want to give people the benefit of the doubt. – @MikeCosper
We see that over and over in the Driscoll story. Older leaders feel compassion for Mark, see his talent, see what’s possible, so they give a ton of grace for a very long period of time with the hope their relationship is going to help him mature. We do that on a small scale all the time. – @MikeCosper
A lot of church planters underestimate the strength of character that is required of them to endure the difficulties of church planting. – @TrevinWax
You have to come back to the core idea, as a leader in the church, that I don’t have to get my way all the time. – @MikeCosper
There’s an energy and adrenaline required to plant a church that’s completely exhausting. There’s a need to plow through really rough soil for a really long time in a lot of these church-planting situations. – @MikeCosper
You need to find some relationships where you can go to people and say to them, “How do you experience me as a leader? How do you experience me as a friend? How do you experience me negatively? And believe them. That’s where I think we drop the ball. – @MikeCosper
The short-term legacy of the Mars Hill story is a cautionary tale, but there’s a longer view that says the real, lasting legacy are hundreds of churches across the country that, thanks be to God, did not have the same leadership challenges and networks that have been influenced by the enthusiasm and energy around those hundreds of church plants. – @Trevin Wax
Churches almost always have some kind of life cycle. It may be five years; it may be 150. Part of what’s cool about that is that it creates such a mystery about the long-term outcomes of our ministry. You may look at your ministry and think, “Man, what an absolute failure,” but Billy Graham 2.0 was on the front row of your church and felt a call to ministry. – @MikeCosper
For church planters, there’s so much of the call to say, “Keep your head down and love the people who are in the room. Don’t get obsessed with the horizons.” – @MikeCosper
Looking at the history of entrepreneurial church planting, I’ve become allergic to the word “vision,” because it goes everywhere and often ends up meaning whatever the lead pastor wants to make sure happens. It can become very distracting from the very simple things Scripture calls us to do. – @MikeCosper
Did you miss Part 1 of the #NewChurches interview with Mike Cosper? Click here to hear his fascinating conversation with Trevin Wax about Cosper’s groundbreaking podcast series, “The Rise and Fall of Mars Hill.”
Helpful Resources:
Listen to Mike Cosper’s podcasts, The Rise and Fall of Mars Hill and Cultivated.
Learn more about Mike Cosper’s books on his Amazon.com author’s page.
Please subscribe to the podcast
Leave a rating and review on iTunes
Interested in learning more? Check out our Church Planting Primer
Are you ready to enroll in our Church Planting Masterclass?
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November 30, 2021Mike Cosper: Maker of ‘The Rise and Fall of Mars Hill’
Episode 622: Podcaster Mike Cosper’s groundbreaking series, “The Rise and Fall of Mars Hill,” takes you inside the story of Mars Hill Church in Seattle – from its founding as part of one of the largest church planting movements in American history to its very public dissolution – and the aftermath that followed. In this first of two episodes, host Trevin Wax asks Cosper to discuss the origins of the podcast, explore the wisdom of even making such a podcast and explain what he hopes the outcome of its production will be.
In This Episode, You’ll Discover:
The “Rise and Fall” podcast reveals that God was doing a life-transforming work at Mars Hill Church, but interviews with people who lived the story also expose an environment that “left a lot to be desired” in terms of faithful biblical leadership.
The zeitgeist of our age has caused this particular story to resonate far and wide. Nevertheless, this narrative, long-form, storytelling podcast is going to be a great resource and story-telling example for the church for many years to come.
Churches have become very centered on the personality of their lead pastor, but the role of the pastor is not to primarily put themselves on display, but to be a servant of the Word.
Pastors must focus on telling the heart of the gospel story but also have to realize they can’t control how their people take it in or what they do with it. When people go off in unintended directions, a pastor must have trustworthy, good critics and continue to be faithful with the work.
Shareable Quotes (#NewChurches):
Catch Part 1 of #NewChurches’ interview with podcaster Mike Cosper, whose “Rise and Fall of Mars Hill Church” takes you inside that fascinating story.
In the podcast, you hear from people who directly lived the story and recognized God was doing a life-transforming work but it also was an environment with a lot to be desired when it comes to what it means to faithfully lead. – @trevinwax
I definitely believed from the beginning that doing narrative, long-form, storytelling podcast was going to be a great resource for the church. – @MikeCosper
There’s something about the zeitgeist right now where this particular story is resonating far and beyond. – @MikeCosper
The pulpit attracts a certain kind of narcissistic personality and pastoral narcissism is an expanding phenomenon because of social media, sermon podcasting and the like. – @MikeCosper
Because church has become so personality-centered, churches identify so much with the personality of their lead pastor. – @MikeCosper
The role of the pastor is not to primarily put themselves on display. It’s to be someone who’s a servant of the Word, a servant of the gospel. – @MikeCosper
My hope is the greater legacy of the podcast is that it invites people to use the medium to tell all kinds of stories. The church has all kinds of beautiful stories to tell. – @MikeCosper
The danger of a lot of Christian storytelling is that we are so focused on getting to the redemptive part of the story that we end up skimming on the suffering or failure part of the story. – @MikeCosper
You have to focus on telling the heart of the story, but you know you can’t control how your audience takes it in or what they do with it. – @MikeCosper
As a pastor, you pour your heart into your church and love your people. But when people go off in weird directions, you can’t internalize that too much. You try to be faithful with the work. – @MikeCosper
You have to have good critics you trust and then you put it in the Lord’s hands and go, “OK, I did the best I could with this.” – @MikeCosper
Helpful Resources:
Listen to Mike Cosper’s podcasts, The Rise and Fall of Mars Hill and Cultivated.
Learn more about Mike Cosper’s books on his Amazon.com author’s page.
Please subscribe to the New Churches podcast
Leave a rating and review on iTunes
Visit newchurches.com and enroll in Church Planting Masterclass here.
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November 16, 2021What is Church Planting?
Episode 621: It’s hard to imagine a Christian today not knowing what church planting is all about, but the truth is the most-googled church planting question is “What is church planting?” A lot of folks out there don’t know anything about church planting but this episode with Rob Wilton, founding pastor of Vintage Church in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, and NAMB City Missionary for Pittsburgh, can change that.
In This Episode, You’ll Discover:
A simple definition of “church planting.”
The two primary reasons church planting is important.
The difference between church starting and church planting.
How to decide if and where to plant a church.
Shareable Quotes (#NewChurches):
Of the eight most-googled church planting questions, guess what’s No. 1? “What is church planting?” – @EdStetzer
Starting new churches is important for two primary reasons. First there’s a great need. Second, because the Bible commands us to plant churches. – @EdStetzer
I love J.D. Payne’s simple definition of church planting: “Evangelism that results in new churches.” – @robwiltontv
I’m more a missionary who plants the gospel to see people reached by Jesus, who are trained up to become leaders of the church, then equipped to fulfill the Great Commission. – @robwiltontv
Andy Stanley once said, “Don’t call me a church planter. I took a thousand people from my dad’s church and started a church.” So there is church starting. Church planting should be something more evangelistic. – @EdStetzer
Most churches that are started are not planted; planting takes a certain intentionality. – @EdStetzer
Vintage church came out of the harvest. My wife’s coworker came to faith in Jesus and then that movement of reaching people who were far from God, who weren’t plugged into a church, formed Vintage Church. – @robwiltontv
Church planting is about getting a church started where there is a need for one. – @robwiltontv
You’re looking for places where there might not be a gathering community. Or it might be because there’s an underrepresented gospel presence because of decline. Sometimes the need is because of growth. Sometimes there are churches that are not connecting with a significant segment of people. – @EdStetzer
I like the word “plant” because it requires a soil of lostness in which a church plant would grow. Where are those pockets of lostness where ultimately a church plant can begin and thrive? – @EdStetzer
How should I decide where to plant a church? Start by putting your “yes” on the table. Let God put it on the map. Be obedient to his call to that place and to that people. This is not some sort of manmade job career choice. This is a call of God. – @EdStetzer
As you walk through the Word, there’s prayer, there’s your passions, your performance, people and places. God works through all those things. God always breaks my heart for a people. – @robwiltontv
A key part of church planting is it’s not about creating a place for you to preach. It’s not about “I’m really excited about a building.” It’s a call to a people. – @EdStetzer
At the end of the day this is about organizing the mission to be as effective as possible to fulfill the Great Commission. We want to go into towns and plant seeds of the gospel to see those people saved. Then we raise up leaders to mobilize for the ministry, so we plant churches that plant churches that plant churches. – @robwiltontv
Helpful Resources:
Please subscribe to the podcast
Leave a rating and review on iTunes
Interested in learning more? Check out our Church Planting Primer”
Are you ready to enroll in our Church Planting Masterclass?
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November 11, 2021Introducing the New NewChurches.com
Episode 620: It’s no secret that church planting is tough. Church planters and the pastors of the churches that send them need trustworthy guidance and we think we have a unique opportunity here to convene some of the best thought leadership across denominational and network lines to help us see lots of churches planted in North America and beyond.
We are excited to announce the relaunch of NewChurches.com, now powered by Send Network. Send Network is behind NewChurches.com and we are excited to provide free resources from church planting experts across the evangelical landscape who offer new insights and best practices on how to plant and multiply churches. As churches produce disciples, it’s natural for those disciples to multiply themselves but it’s also natural for new churches to form where there are new disciples being made. Another way of saying it… Churches make disciples and disciples make churches.
In This Episode, You’ll Discover:
The website will provide free resources from church planting experts across the evangelical landscape who offer new insights and best practices on how to plant and multiply churches.
This podcast will continue to offer trustworthy guidance from some of the best thought leadership—across denominational and network lines—for the kingdom cause of multiplying church plants in North America and beyond.
We are extremely excited about Church Planting Masterclass. Church leaders like Matt Chandler, Heather Thompson Day, David Platt, Trillia Newbell, J.D. Greear, and DA Horton and more give brief “TED talk”-like instruction covering everything an aspiring church planter needs to know.
Shareable Quotes (#NewChurches):
“NewChurches.com will share free resources for church planters who want to plant churches that are sharing the good news of the gospel and making a difference for Jesus” – @edstetzer
“NewChurches.com wants church planters to be remarkably fruitful, not caught up in learning things others already have learned, so they can focus on being simply faithful.” – @edstetzer
“Send Network wants to see healthy, multiplying churches in every community across North America … new churches everywhere for everyone.” – @dhati
“I want to be the last generation that has to leave the urban context to find discipleship.” – @dhati
“NewChurches.com is here to come alongside and resource pastors and planters to see church multiplication happen.” – @TrevinWax
“We want to mobilize church planters, resource them well, be in constant communication with people on the front lines of church planting and deliver the supplies to other front-line ministers.” – @TrevinWax
“We are broadening the table at the New Churches podcast, hearing from men and women from different cultures, contexts and backgrounds. We want church planters to be challenged and broadened.” – @edstetzer
“This will be a ‘FUBU’ – for us, by us – podcast for church planters struggling with the same issues others have struggled with.” – @dhati
Helpful Resources:
Please subscribe to the podcast
Leave a rating and review on iTunes
Visit newchurches.com and enroll in Church Planting Masterclass here.
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October 06, 2021Episode 619: How to Give a Gospel Goodbye
In Episode 619 of the NewChurches Q&A Podcast, Daniel, Ed, and Todd discuss how to leave well.
In This Episode, You’ll Discover:
How common transitions are in churches
How to transition well when you are being pushed out
Shareable Quotes (#NewChurches):
“In pastoral ministry, there is always a moment when you are going to say goodbye.” – @danielsangi
“Gospel goodbyes need to be well-planed, not casual and flippant.” – @edstetzer
“You can’t burn bridges on the way out. You need to transition well and do what is best for the church overall even if it feels like you are being run out.” – @toddadkins
“You have to recognize that you have to prepare people for disappointment and then you have to walk through the disappointment with them.” – @edstetzer
“You are going to spend more time meeting with people leaving than you might have been spending meeting with people when you were staying.” – @edstetzer
“If you have built everything on you and you haven’t developed any other leaders, then it is going to be incredibly difficult on the congregation for you to leave.” – @danielsangi
“If you are going to leave and you are in the middle of the mess, you might want to work to fix the mess before you leave.” – @edstetzer
“How do you leave in a way where you would be welcomed back?” – @danielsangi
Recommended Resources:
Connect with Daniel (@danielsangi) and Todd (@toddadkins) on Twitter to learn more about the One Leadership Question Podcast
Help us Multiply the Mission:
Please subscribe
Leave a rating and review on iTunes
Ask a question by clicking Send Voicemail on the right hand side of NewChurches.com
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When you’re recording, introduce yourself and your context in about 15 seconds and then record your question for 30 seconds
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October 05, 2021Episode 618: Biggest Reasons Why Church Planting Works
In Episode 618 of the NewChurches Q&A Podcast, Daniel and Ed discuss why church plants work.
In This Episode, You’ll Discover:
The three things a church plant needs to be successful
The difference in church starting and church planting
Shareable Quotes (#NewChurches):
“Right leader, right focus, right strategy, and all of them do matter.” – @edstetzer
“You can be a great pastor, and not a great planter.” – @edstetzer
“Perhaps, before you church plant, the best thing you can do is serve under another leader and learn from them.” – @danielsangi
“Church planting requires the soil of lostnesss.” – @edstetzer
“In addition to right leader, right focus, right strategy is having the right partner.” – @danielsangi
Recommended Resources:
Learn more about CPLF
Read “6 Marks of the Church and Why They Matter” by Ed Stetzer
Read Planting Missional Churches by Ed Stetzer and Daniel Im
Connect with Daniel at [email protected]
Connect with Daniel (@danielsangi) and Todd (@toddadkins) on Twitter
Help us Multiply the Mission:
Please subscribe
Leave a rating and review on iTunes
Ask a question by clicking Send Voicemail on the right hand side of NewChurches.com
If you’re on a phone or a tablet, then go to www.speakpipe.com/newchurches to download the app and record your message
When you’re recording, introduce yourself and your context in about 15 seconds and then record your question for 30 seconds
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October 04, 2021Episode 617: Your Leadership Pipeline and Discipleship Pathway Revisited
In Episode 617 of the NewChurches Q&A Podcast, Daniel and Todd revisit the most popular topic every downloaded.
In This Episode, You’ll Discover:
Where the podcast has been and what’s happening next
How a leadership pipeline and discipleship pathway create a strategy when used together
Shareable Quotes (#NewChurches):
“Your leadership pipeline and discipleship pathway are the strategy of your church.” – @danielsangi
“It is the structure, the systems that follow that, the skills that you train toward, the selection of leaders you put into place that are vitally important.” – @toddadkins
“Pipeline provides a structure so that the weight that you feel of leadership development and leading your church can be spread across the framework to take it off your shoulders.” – @toddadkins
“It’s easy to get on the same page with every area of the church in the story and strategy, it really is important though that the structure is carried across the church at each level.” – @toddadkins
“If you want to fully implement pipeline you have to go through the pain of redoing some of the structure and systems to get where you want to be.” – @toddadkins
“When you think about your discipleship pathway, there are three core elements: your first steps, your next steps, and your ongoing steps.” – @danielsangi
“The core of your discipleship pathway are the ongoing steps that are going to shape and form your people into the image of Christ.” – @danielsangi
Recommended Resources:
Follow Todd (@toddadkins) and Daniel (@danielsangi) on Twitter
Read No Silver Bullets by Daniel Im
Learn more about Auxano
Learn more about Ministry Grid
Help us Multiply the Mission:
Please subscribe
Leave a rating and review on iTunes
Ask a question by clicking Send Voicemail on the right hand side of NewChurches.com
If you’re on a phone or a tablet, then go to www.speakpipe.com/newchurches to download the app and record your message
When you’re recording, introduce yourself and your context in about 15 seconds and then record your question for 30 seconds
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August 02, 2021Episode 616: Hiring Skills, Part 3
In Episode 616 of the NewChurches Q&A Podcast, Daniel and Todd continue their discussion on discerning character, chemistry, and competency when hiring staff and volunteer leaders.
In This Episode, You’ll Discover:
How you discern for competency
Ways to use the interview and reference process to discern competency
Shareable Quotes (#NewChurches):
“You aren’t going to know what you expect from anybody in any role until you take a step back and ask what the competencies you are looking for in that position.” – @toddadkins
“Having a clear understanding of the competencies, I am prepared to ask good questions that will reveal whether or not they are competent.” – @toddadkins
“One of the things I love to do in discerning competence is creating scenarios and asking how they would lead in light of that.” – @danielsangi
“Sometimes competency can be as difficult to discern as character.” – @toddadkins
“Some people are better at interviewing than at executing.” – @toddadkins
“The questions that you ask a reference are almost as important as the questions you ask a candidate.” – @toddadkins
“An easy way to find out if they’ve done their homework is to ask them what is their favorite core value of the church.” – @toddadkins
Recommended Resources:
Listen to Episode 612: Hiring Skills, Part 1
Listen to Episode 614: Hiring Skills, Part 2
Help us Multiply the Mission:
Please subscribe
Leave a rating and review on iTunes
Ask a question by clicking Send Voicemail on the right hand side of NewChurches.com
If you’re on a phone or a tablet, then go to www.speakpipe.com/newchurches to download the app and record your message
When you’re recording, introduce yourself and your context in about 15 seconds and then record your question for 30 seconds

This Episode’s Sponsor:
Downline Ministries’ mission is to encourage a restoration of biblical discipleship in and through the local church by equipping men and women to know God’s Word and make disciples.
The primary way we partner with churches is through the Downline Institute, a 9 month biblical discipleship training program that walks students through the Bible (Genesis-Revelation), biblical manhood/womanhood, and key discipleship lessons. Listeners can receive $100 off tuition cost by using the code LIFEWAY when you apply at www.downlineministries.com.
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July 29, 2021Episode 615: Ways a Pastor Can Lead, Part 2
In Episode 615 of the NewChurches Q&A Podcast, Daniel and Ed continue a discussion on how pastors can lead.
In This Episode, You’ll Discover:
How a pastor can lead through systems
What happens if you leave systems to chance
Shareable Quotes (#NewChurches):
“Systems are put in place so that everything doesn’t rise and fall on you.” – @danielsangi
“Preaching leadership initiates. Systems leadership sustains.” – @edstetzer
“This is a learned approach that can make you more effective in the church because you have indeed created and lead out in some of the systems.” – @edstetzer
“When it comes to church structure, if you were to leave systems to chance you would allow the loudest voices in your congregation to become the elders and the decision makers instead of the ones who fit the biblical qualifications.” – @danielsangi
“If you were to leave systems to chance, your prayer life and daily routine would go by the wayside since your attention would be consumed with putting out fires.” – @danielsangi
“If you left systems to chance, your church would be all about the weekend show rather than the important work of making disciples of all nations.” – @danielsangi
Recommended Resources:
Listen to Episode 613: Ways a Pastor Can Lead, Part 1
Read “10 Reasons Systems Matter for Church Planting”
Read Planting Missional Churches by Daniel Im and Ed Stetzer
Help us Multiply the Mission:
Please subscribe
Leave a rating and review on iTunes
Ask a question by clicking Send Voicemail on the right hand side of NewChurches.com
If you’re on a phone or a tablet, then go to www.speakpipe.com/newchurches to download the app and record your message
When you’re recording, introduce yourself and your context in about 15 seconds and then record your question for 30 seconds

This Episode’s Sponsor:
Downline Ministries’ mission is to encourage a restoration of biblical discipleship in and through the local church by equipping men and women to know God’s Word and make disciples.
The primary way we partner with churches is through the Downline Institute, a 9 month biblical discipleship training program that walks students through the Bible (Genesis-Revelation), biblical manhood/womanhood, and key discipleship lessons. Listeners can receive $100 off tuition cost by using the code LIFEWAY when you apply at www.downlineministries.com.
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July 26, 2021Episode 614: Hiring Skills, Part 2
In Episode 614 of the NewChurches Q&A Podcast, Daniel and Todd continue to discuss discerning character, chemistry, and competency when hiring staff and volunteer leaders.
In This Episode, You’ll Discover:
How you discern for chemistry
Different ways to get the team together to see chemistry with the potential new hire
Shareable Quotes (#NewChurches):
“Chemistry is one of the pieces that is often overlooked.” – @danielsangi
“You have to know yourself, and know your team.” – @toddadkins
“The team dynamic is how we get stuff done.” – @toddadkins
“Eating together is one way to discern chemistry.” – @danielsangi
“One of the ways you can really test this out would be to contract with the person, but treat them like a team member to see how they interact.” – @toddadkins
“Ask them questions about different teams they’ve served on in the past and what they appreciated and what they didn’t like.” – @toddadkins
Recommended Resources:
Listen to Episode 612: Hiring Skills, Part 1
Help us Multiply the Mission:
Please subscribe
Leave a rating and review on iTunes
Ask a question by clicking Send Voicemail on the right hand side of NewChurches.com
If you’re on a phone or a tablet, then go to www.speakpipe.com/newchurches to download the app and record your message
When you’re recording, introduce yourself and your context in about 15 seconds and then record your question for 30 seconds

This Episode’s Sponsor:
Downline Ministries’ mission is to encourage a restoration of biblical discipleship in and through the local church by equipping men and women to know God’s Word and make disciples.
The primary way we partner with churches is through the Downline Institute, a 9 month biblical discipleship training program that walks students through the Bible (Genesis-Revelation), biblical manhood/womanhood, and key discipleship lessons. Listeners can receive $100 off tuition cost by using the code LIFEWAY when you apply at www.downlineministries.com.
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