Malcolm and Simone Collins react to Nick Fuentes’ shocking declaration: “I’m a moderate non-woke Democrat in 2026.” Malcolm’s long-standing prediction that Fuentes would align with the Democratic coalition has come true — and the clips prove it.

In this episode, they break down Fuentes’ revealed preferences vs. his rhetoric, his pattern of undermining Republican candidates during elections, his obsession with destroying the GOP and harming Israel, his weak stance on immigration enforcement, and why this move exposes his true priorities. They also discuss the “Nazi Democrat” candidate in Maine, accelerationism, the health of the right-wing movement without deontological extremists, and what this means for the future of American politics.

A must-watch for anyone following the Nick Fuentes saga, MAGA, or the realignment happening on the right.

Episode Transcript

Malcolm Collins: Hello, Simone. I’m excited to be here with you today. Today we get a big heaping helping of I was right, I called it, it was the craziest conspiracy theory I had ever launched. So people will know there have been a number of episodes where I predicted that Nick Fuentes would join the Democratic coalition.

And there was actually one entire episode that was nothing about but this exact topic, but I never aired that episode because I thought it was just too crazy to air as an independent episode. I thought people would say, “Malcolm, you’ve fallen off. This is crazy. You’re going too hard here. He’s never actually just gonna come out.

Like, he may act like a Democrat, but he’s not just gonna join the coalition.” And he has.

Speaker: 2026, vote Dem- I’m a Democrat now. I’m a moderate Democrat in 2026. I don’t know about ‘28. For 2026, I am a non-woke Democrat. Hi, my name’s Nick Fuentes. I’m an Afro-Latino, non-woke Democrat. I care about affordability. [00:01:00] I care about foreign interventions. I care about the border. I’m a non-woke, moderate Democrat.

I think the GOP needs to be destroyed. I think the corrupt criminal government of Trump needs to be slowed down. We need to impeach the orange. It’s time to put this in a peach. Trump needs to be placed inside of a crystal. He needs to be impeached. This fat orange, tiny hands needs to be impeached.

And then in ‘28, no Vance, no Rubio. We have to burn down the whole party. We need to elect a dark horse who’s gonna put America first. I’m not listening to anybody else. No Vance, no Rubio, America first. That’s the ma-- And that is all that matters anymore. That is the only thing that matters. I’m not voting for a Democrat unless they’re really, un- unless it’s, like, um, me.

Unless it’s a, unless it’s a Nick Fuentes Democrat. Unless a Nick Fuentes Democrat wins the nomination, I won’t vote for a Democrat. I’m, I’m never Vance. I’m never Rubio. I’m an America first guy. So Tucker and all the [00:02:00] rest of them, they’re gonna try to shut me down. They’re gonna try to get Vance in there in ‘28, and you gotta be...

You gotta wisen up and realize we gotta take our own side here. None of this nonsense

Malcolm Collins: And I will note here that I have seen some people coping and saying that these clips are him joking. I have watched enough Nick Fuentes to know the difference between when he is entirely joking and when he is...

Because he does everything in a jocular manner. When he’s saying the stuff he most sincerely believes more than anything in the world, he’ll add a joke here or there to it.

Speaker 6: And if you want to say that this is a joke, really the only line in here that I think you could use as evidence, because everything else is completely in line with everything he said in the past, is the I’m an Afro-Latino. But this only works if you’re unfamiliar with the Nick nick fuentes lore. Nick’s grandfather was Mexican.

He admits this and identifies this way. And in his DNA test, he is partially African. Small, like 1%, but he is an Afro-Latino. And [00:03:00] so I think what he’s doing here is in everything he says, whether it’s right wing or left wing in a traditional context, he always throws in some spice, some stuff to piss people off.

But he’s trying to performatively lean into the identity politics

Speaker 15: I also want to point out here that I do not dislike Nick as a person. If anything, I think that this is a good development for him because he has been cheerleading Democrat causes for a while now. And to just be able to come out and admit like what his political team is, I think shows a degree of integrity instead of LARPing as somebody who’s right wing.

And there’s nothing like, okay, like I’m against the Democrats’ agenda, but he has explained why he holds these points. These points are in line with the Democratic agenda. And I don’t think that he’s being necessarily intellectually dishonest in how he has laid these out. So I can’t hold animosity over that.

Malcolm Collins: But if [00:04:00] you look specifically where I think this is validated, because maybe you could say the whole, “I’m joining the Democrats, I’m a moderate Democrat now, a non-woke Democrat.”

First, that’s a weird way to say it if he’s joking, right? The, the coming out explicitly as a non-woke Democrat is it’s, he, he’s, he’s not putting on, like, an act, like, “I’ve become woke,” or something like that. He is, he is clarifying his position while in the same speech saying that he still can’t quite bring himself to vote for most Democrats yet.

Which to me, that doesn’t, that’s not a jo- like, that’s him saying

Simone Collins: plainly- Yeah, if, if it were a bit, he wouldn’t be speaking that way ...

Malcolm Collins: And yes, and then later in the same speech, which we’ll get to, he explicitly says that we should vote for a Democrat over a a, an Indian Republican. A, a, Wamatha, Ramaswamy?

Vivek

Simone Collins: Ramaswamy

Speaker 3: So what is the alternative? Well, not [00:05:00] everybody’s gonna like this, but in November, there’s gonna be two candidates that can win on the ballot in Ohio, and it is Acton on the Democrat side and Ramaswamy on the Republican side. If it can’t be Ramaswamy, I think you know what it has to be. And so I’m gonna be calling on everybody to be going to Ohio, and we’re gonna give people a choice.

You have an option, stay home. But I think if you really wanna make a difference and help, we’re gonna have to hold our noses and we’re gonna have to vote Democrat.

And I’d point out here how quickly he flipped on this, “Oh, I’m a Democrat now, but I won’t vote for Democrats,” to, “All of my fans need to get out there and vote for a Democrat.”

This is why I can only help but roll my eyes when somebody’s like, “Well, you know, he did say that he was never going to tell people to vote for Democrats, so it shouldn’t really be seen immediately afterwards as soon as it’s election season.” Like, there’s a pattern to this, guys.

And again, I am [00:06:00] not anti Nick Fuentes content. I find it often quite entertaining, sometimes insightful, but it’s important to look at his revealed preferences and his end goals that can be discerned from looking at the revealed preferences, what he actually does when it matters

Malcolm Collins: When, and Vivek is awesome, man. Like, he’s-

Simone Collins: Vivek is awesome, yeah. I agree ...

Malcolm Collins: one of my favorite Vivek quotes I heard this when I was at the Libertarian convention. And it was Vivek versus another one of the leading Republican candidates, one of the boring ones who I don’t like.

Anyway, so the other one, like, wanted everyone to come with out their guns to the meeting. And you know, it’s the Libertarians, so they didn’t wanna do that. It

Simone Collins: was in New Hampshire?

Malcolm Collins: Yeah, it was New Hampshire. He

Simone Collins: was asking everyone to come without guns in New Hampshire.

Malcolm Collins: Well, because he’s like, you know, “I’m a...”

I can understand how he might be scared. You know, “I’m a presidential candidate, I get lots of death threats.” They all get lots of death threats. You know, we get death threats, right? Anyway, Vivek then comes, and he has no restrictions on it. He’s like, “Yeah, just anybody come.” And then he gets up on stage and the guy who I, who was telling me this story, he came with, like, an [00:07:00] open carry, like, AR-15.

You know, like, a very well, like, strapped to this event, right? And he’s like- Wait,

Simone Collins: Vivek, he, he came with a rifle strapped to him, not like a handgun, like under his-

Malcolm Collins: I think it was, I think it was a rifle from what, from what I remember of the story. So he he’s giving the speech and he then at one point in the speech is, is like, “Oh yeah, and if I ever start doing this stuff,” because he’s like, somebody’s like, you know, I can’t remember, like, you know, “Well, politicians say X or say Y.”

And he goes, “Well, if I start doing that, you know they’ve gotten to me, and you know what to do.” And he pointed to this guy with the rifle. Oh,

Simone Collins: no.

Malcolm Collins: Oh, my

Simone Collins: God ... and

Speaker 22: Do. Yes, sir.

Do it, Regal.

Malcolm Collins: I love that. That’s, that’s how you, n- I mean, that is so much more based [00:08:00] than anything Nick Fuentes has ever done, to point to the guy in the crowd with the

Simone Collins: freaking

Malcolm Collins: rifle- You know what to do

and being like, “If I ever go for this stuff, you know what to do.” That’s amazing.

Speaker 8: And ‘07 Vivek, the avatar of destruction, we love you. Uh, I do support Trump, but you’re awesome. You gotta run in 20- after Trump wins, you gotta run in ‘28. Honestly, I’m, I’m on board for a Vivek ‘28. I’m on board for a Vivek presidency. I think the ideal primary in 2028 is Kanye West and Vivek Ramaswamy. W America

Speaker 9: And I want to be clear here because sometimes people will be like, well, Asmongold says he agrees with 99% of stuff that Nick Fuentes said. And there was a time when I felt that way too. And I was like, hey, we got to give this guy some benefit of the doubt. He totally dunked on Piers Morgan. Like that was hilarious.

You know, he says funny stuff on stream. And so I would watch individual clips he said, like him glazing Vivek here and think, oh, this guy is great. I mean, other people will say that. Like here we’ll point out where he’ll do some anti-ice stuff. [00:09:00] And then people will say, oh yeah, but here’s him saying some pro-ice stuff.

And it doesn’t matter if with somebody like this, who when it doesn’t matter, you know, when it’s not an election cycle where Vivek is running, he will glaze Vivek. And then the moment it’s relevant to our side winning, enacting stricter border policy, actually protecting unborn children, he comes in and he’s like, no, no, no, no, no.

Now I’m working against him. And so this has significantly soured me on him is I realized that he has this chameleon persona where he will just take on any position that he thinks will grow his base within a right-wing audience when it’s not election season. And then the moment it becomes election season and it matters, he goes full on against us.

And this is why when people are like, oh, you know, look at this clip that counters what you just said here. Look at this clip. And it’s like, well, if those came from [00:10:00] beforehand, then he’s longing to grow an audience. Like the fact that he is contradicting himself makes it worse. And this is coming from me, somebody who prides himself in updating his views.

If you watch our videos, you will see me updating my views, but you can see the directionality of those views updating. It’s not like I’m here, you know, pro this, pro this, pro this, pro this. And the moment it matters, I turn against it, right? With me, it’s more like for a long time, I was like, well, you know, maybe the trans community, some people are legitimately trans and we just need to handle this with kids.

And then I got access to more evidence. And I was like, I was wrong about that. And I admit that I was wrong about that. And I used to be a Democrat too. Like I was wrong about that. But this is all sort of a directional evolution, which is not what we see with Fuentes. He doesn’t really look like an evolution of political beliefs, but either [00:11:00] somebody who is hiding his original goals or somebody who has just been captured by anti-Indian and anti-Jewish hatred to the extent that he is willing to sabotage everything else he has ever said he stood for in favor of that.

Speaker 10: Funny, , y- I actually, when we speak about my evolution, I actually, if you look at our early videos on Nick Fuentes, they , are pretty glowing on Nick Fuentes. , Basically, , I did... There’s a funny scene where Nexinor is like, “Who’s this leaflet person?” And then somebody in chat is like, “People are calling her a Nazi.”

And he goes, “Well, I, I probably like her then. Let’s see what funny jokes she told.” Or, no, that was, that was Shoeonhead when somebody said, somebody said she’s a Nazi, and she goes, “Oh, I wonder what funny jokes she said.” , But like, , I sort of felt the same way. All the regular people who annoy me were attacking Nick, and so I’m immediately like, “Okay, I’m gonna give him the benefit of the doubt.

Like, let’s see what this guy’s about.” And he starts with some fun stuff. , And then he starts hoping that we lose the war in Iran and starts hoping that our side loses elections and it, and all of a sudden I’m like, “Oh, God,” like, “this guy is [00:12:00] very against our best interest

Speaker 21: Quick side note here, but like we need to, I think as a movement, be clear, , in terms of like we can say that there are differences between ethnic groups. We can say that there are differences between cultural groups. We can say that anchor babies are a problem in the country. We can say that in-group preference among certain ethnicities is a problem among, within this country.

But this just totalistic othering of people from different ethnicities that now show ideologically in their actions, in what they’re doing, that they align with an American vision. Like take Leaflet. Leaflet’s, I think, a sep- second-generation Japanese. , She might be further back than that, but at least I know she’s ethnically Japanese.

In everything that she has ever done, she has shown herself to be on team, right? , so what I’m supposed to other her for this sort of like purity? Aria Babu, Indian, who we’ve talked about, who had this wonderful essay on like why witches are evil and why we need to go back to Puritanism [00:13:00] and, , clearly on team. And I just don’t think it’s helpful to create gating, , where people who are clearly... And, and it’s not culturally American. It’s, it’s not what the, the backwoods people did. It’s not what the Puritans did. Maybe the Cavaliers did it, but they were always dbags. , And the Quakers did it, but they’re where woke comes from, so also dbags.

, So I don’t see the point in this sort of, , racially pure angle on things when the real challenge, which is the harder challenge, is just to get people to understand that you can’t just import anyone and expect them to behave like anyone else. , You lose that battle if you decide that you won’t cave on the racial purity battle.

Malcolm Collins: Yeah, so I was, I was telling this story to Simone, and he’s like, “Well...”

Because at first, before he then just later goes on and is like, “Yeah, we should vote for Democrats,” he, he starts by saying... And I wanna get into, like, the logic of all of this. Yeah. ‘Cause I think this can con- confuse some people, and it really shouldn’t be confusing. It’s actually, the [00:14:00] reason why I was able to predict this is it’s highly in alignment with everything he’s been doing for a long time at this point.

And the continuing to pretend to be right-leaning, I think, was the joke, right? Like, he’s, he’s not really right-leaning on any major policy anymore. He promotes social wealth redistribution he promotes like, no tariffs, like, sort of globalist market conditions. He promotes America not really exercising its, its power on the world stage.

Even when it’s just, like, a, an easy net benefit to us, like in Venezuela. Like, that’s not even, like, a boots on the ground. That’s just, like, a, oh, yeah, like... But I wanna get into the psychology of how he got to this place, because I think for some people who believe the leftist vision of Nick Fuentes, this can be weird or confusing.

But, like, if you’ve been actually listening to what he’s been saying for a while now this is not remotely surprising. This is the d- And, and note here, people can say, “Well, you [00:15:00] know, the, the, he, he has so many values that don’t align with d- values of the rest of the Democratic coalition.” And I pointed out that the Democratic coalition is much more based on what they want to destroy than what they want to promote.

And by this what I mean is you are able to have Islamists on the same side as LGBTQ extremists in the in, in, in this faction. He has more in common with, well, basically either group than those two groups have with each other. But he, at, at a, at a, at a fundamental level... Because w- we’ll talk about, like, what he says he believes.

I don’t wanna get... I wanna get into the second funny part here, ‘cause this also surprised Simone. It’s, he goes, “Well, vote for Nick Fuentes style Democrats.” And Simone was like, “What does that mean?” And I go, “Well, you know there is a Nazi Democrat now.” Mm. And she’s like, “Wait, there’s a Nazi Democrat?” And I’m like, “Yeah, you haven’t heard about it?”

So let’s get into this. This is Garren Pattler. He’s a Democrat [00:16:00] senatorial candidate, a of-

Simone Collins: What state?

Malcolm Collins: Maine.

Simone Collins: Okay.

Malcolm Collins: He’s the current front runner and presumptive Democratic nominee. In 2007 while live, i- while on leave in Croatia, the young mariner, after tours in Iraq he got a tattoo.

Now he says he had no idea- Oh ... what it was. He’s like- This is funny ... “Oh, I just got it off the wall in the tattoo shop.”

Simone Collins: Yeah.

Malcolm Collins: The problem is it is a death head symbol used by the SS-

Simone Collins: Yeah ...

Malcolm Collins: para- paramilitary force central to the Holocaust and other atrocities. It’s a, it’s a very central neo- c- it’s, it’s, like, much worse than, say, like, a swastika ‘cause with a swastika you could say, “I got it confused for that Buddhist symbol,” or something, right?

And he claims he had no idea what this was. He had no idea what it was until it picked up. But it seems,

Simone Collins: He’s an alleged Nazi. Like, he denies

Malcolm Collins: it. He has an SS tattoo.

Simone Collins: I mean, look, also the two lightning bolts, they look awesome. [00:17:00] Like, that’s the problem.

Malcolm Collins: You think it’s like the Harry Potter tattoo?

Yeah. I go to somebody and I go, “I got the Harry Potter tattoo on my forehead.” The

Simone Collins: two of them.

Malcolm Collins: And it’s the SS, right? That’s the- Yeah.

Simone Collins: That’s, I mean, I, I could see it. I could genuinely see it happening. So he’s an... I would put him down as alleged Nazi.

Malcolm Collins: But what’s been very fun about this candidate, and you can watch a bunch of videos online of people freaking out about this, is rightists will try to get leftists to condemn him for being a Nazi.

They’re like, “You will accuse Trump of being a Nazi over, like, nothing, right? This guy’s got an, an SS tattoo.” Oh, no.

Simone Collins: I’ve... See, and now that you mention him, I have heard of him, and specifically from leftist newscasters or, like, well, news commentators on YouTube. And they’re all like, “No,” like, “It, it, he, it was a mistake.”

This is totally defended on the left

Malcolm Collins: Yeah, they don’t care. Like, the left doesn’t care, ‘cause the left doesn’t care about, like, being against Nazis, as I’ve pointed out. Like, they’re, they’ll be pro-Nazi if it’s on their side. Like, this has- No, no, they just say- ... long been normative for

Simone Collins: them.

Malcolm Collins: Which is- They don’t

Simone Collins: say he’s a Nazi [00:18:00]

Malcolm Collins: So, so with the recent Nick Fuentes turn I, I, I think I should explain to people, like, how he psychologically got here, because this is, this is also fairly interesting.

Simone Collins: Well, and let me ask a question that I think might be top of mind for a lot of people, too. Is this just about being path dependent on being rebellious? And if you are far right, the only rebellious thing you can do after a certain point is go left. Like, that’s the last rebellious thing. No,

Malcolm Collins: because w- when, when, when you, when you saw his coming out as a moderate Democrat, as a non-woke Democrat, and you saw the things that he was rabidly protesting, like the Trump administration, locking up everyone in the Trump administration, ending all of their efforts when you see...

I mean, he has streams where he’s crashed out about ICE being too aggressive before.

Simone Collins: Right?

Malcolm Collins: Like- Wait,

Speaker 2: The other thing I’m really worried about is what’s happening at these ICE detention centers, where it’s happening not far from where I live in Broadview, Illinois, [00:19:00] where they set up an ICE detention facility, and the administration is rounding these people up, which I support, but they’re doing it in a very provocative way

Speaker 11: Note here, , many such quotes from Fuentes. We’ve got ones like, , “You can perform brutality without being brutal. , He called ICE performatively cruel. , And like we know that they’re not.

They’re doing what they need to do. When I watch these videos of ICE, I often feel like I see them being nice while people are calling them like the N-word and stuff, and just trying their best to get things done often, , while people are violently resisting and harassing them. I can imagine almost no other group as beleaguered and unappreciated for their jobs.

, I, I feel so sorry for what they go through every day, and to see Nick piling on with this stuff... And people can be like, “Well, here’s where he’s supporting them, and here’s where he’s supporting them.” Or later in that very clip, he walks it back and is like, “Well, he never should have said it in the first place.”

These people are working their butts off, man. He never should have said it in the first place. You’re not genuinely on [00:20:00] team if you’re doing that

Simone Collins: are you serious? He’s not about

Malcolm Collins: the poor people. Yeah, yeah. He says it, it looks bad, and it’s, like, bad. And there’s no other way you can do it, right? Like, he, I- if you follow, like, the things he’s actually complained about and the things he complains about as sort of ideological points in that stream, this follows really directly from that.

So there’s really two things that he wants more than anything. He wants the people involved with the Trump administration arrested and to face consequences for not going along with his vision of America’s future. And two, he wants Israel to suffer. And I note here that it’s not just Nick Fuentes that is making this move that we’ve seen to the left.

David Duke made this move, Richard Spencer made this move, Richard Hanania made this move. A lot of people. And Richard Hanania, like, he, he’s been on our show before. I like, I, I, I, you know, pleasant enough guy, but he often talks when he’s on left shows, he goes, “Yeah, between X and Y years, I was a professional racist.”

Right? Like, [00:21:00] people who really bit into the racist card have been, I think, sorely disappointed by how much the right is just not the party of racism anymore. And the left is okay with racism still, right? Like, they will... It’s very interesting if you watch leftist interview like Richard Hanania about his time as a racist or about his racist views, there really isn’t any condemnation for it in a, in a meaningful context.

It’s not even like he needs to apologize for it. It’s just like, “Yeah, but you’re voting blue now, right?” And his primary bugaboos, right? Like, he doesn’t really... So, so one, you’ve gotta look at his behavior pattern. For every single election and midterm up until this one, he, this is when he always turns on the Democrat coding, right?

He does this thing where when it’s not about to be a voting season, he pretends to be a Republican. And then whenever it’s about to be voting season, he always argues that either people shouldn’t vote for the Republican candidates, or like in this season-

Simone Collins: Oh, that’s true. Yeah ... he was He was not [00:22:00] voting for Trump in the 2024 election.

Malcolm Collins: What? Because he was very clearly anti-Trump in the 2024 p- political race. You remember that, right?

Simone Collins: Yeah, I thought Richard Hanania into he turned anti-Trump, but were they just saying that to, like, rile people up?

I don’t know.

Malcolm Collins: Yes. But

Simone Collins: maybe So

Malcolm Collins: it appears- Yeah ... that he has held this position really strongly since 2024. And that he really starts to flare up in these positions whenever it’s an election cycle, and then he goes back to pretending to be a Republican in between election cycles when it won’t matter.

And I, I, like, I want people to... Because when we’ve criticized him in the past, and I’m like, “I’m telling you right now, he’s not anti-Trump, he’s anti-Republican,” right? He wants the GOP destroyed. He wants our policy positions destroyed. He wants the policy positions of the leftists enacted, like loose borders and everything like that.

I mean, keep in mind, if we have just a few, like a decade more of borders [00:23:00] as loose as they were under the Biden administration, it’s going to be very hard for Republicans to ever win elections again, right? Like, he’s attempting to put things in place that will prevent Republicans from winning in the future.

Simone Collins: Wait, he wants loose borders?

Malcolm Collins: Well, if he is willing to allow Democrats to become elected, then yes, functionally he does, because that’s the thing- ‘Cause I thought

Simone Collins: he’s very anti-immigration.

Malcolm Collins: He’s, this, this is the thing, and it’s important to look at what he says versus what he does. If you look at functionally what he does, like where he actually cares, where he’s willing to, like, throw down a gauntlet, right?

He’s never thrown down the gauntlet over the issue of immigration. He has repeatedly thrown down the gauntlet over the issue of using Israel to help achieve our foreign objectives if it also helped Israel’s foreign objectives. A- he, no, I’m, we’ve seen this, right? Never once have I seen him meaningfully throw down the gauntlet on immigration.

He throw, he’s, he’s attempted to throw it down over, like, generic [00:24:00] racism, but that doesn’t really matter, right? Because that’s obviously not going to win. W- and even where he’s engaged with immigration, as I, as I’ve noticed, like he’s been anti-ICE before and stuff like that, right? Like, he, he wants to, like, slow down immigration, but not in any way that could, like, look bad or cause a fuss.

Which is very interesting when you contrast it with his public persona. But I think it’s important that people understand that his public persona, even within his mind, is a bit of an act, and not necessarily in line with his real goals for America.

Simone Collins: I do get the impression when watching him, and I’m watching a bit of a, like, a stand-up bit, it’s almost like he took the concept of The Colbert Report and he just, like, did the method acting version of it, where he, like, lived it 24/7, like, lived a far right- persona

Malcolm Collins: Yeah.

Well, I mean, you don’t know that he’s doing this 24/7 or not, right? Like, Well,

Simone Collins: whenever he’s on stream, then fine ...

Malcolm Collins: and I, I put on a persona [00:25:00] on stream too, but my persona on stream is largely-

Simone Collins: Dude, I talk with you all day. This is not a persona

Malcolm Collins: Well, I don’t know

Simone Collins: Sorry, Malcolm, nice try

Malcolm Collins: I think I’m more provocative on stream

Simone Collins: No Okay.

No

Malcolm Collins: you’re not Maybe I don’t. I thought I put on a persona on stream. The, the, but, but if I don’t, I, I’m s- well, then I’m lying. I, I don’t, I apparently am just like this 24/7.

Simone Collins: Yes,

Malcolm Collins: you are You, you don’t think I state my values more extremely or more... You know, sometimes I try to be controversial for controversy’s sake or...

Simone Collins: No? You’re way more controversial off camera

Malcolm Collins: Uh-oh, what have Malcolm saying off camera? Now you’re getting deep lore here, people.

Simone Collins: Actually, I guess you’re, you’re more or less the same, but you’re less guarded in what you say because you know that you couldn’t be demonetized in our normal life

Malcolm Collins: Oh, that’s true.

That is true, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, no, I mean, I have some spicier [00:26:00] takes that I’m like, “I don’t know, the world isn’t ready for this yet.” And, and I think that, that there are things that people could infer from things I’ve said on stream. Like, I, I think I’m significantly more ruthless and less caring about people I see as being dam- damaging to the future of human civilization than, than I come off as on screen.

But anyway I think that- go run around and play, okay, sweetheart? You’re, you’re being a loud bugaboo.

Now, now she’s crying about it, looking around like she’s been rejected.

You can go play with anything in my room. Look, the whole room is full of treasure. Just no wiggling on my lap, okay?

But what I find interesting, and what I’m really excited to see if, if, if we can see it happen is, is the left gonna embrace him like they did Richard Spencer?

Simone Collins: Oh, no, Richard Anania.

Malcolm Collins: [00:27:00] Sorry, Richard Anania.

Simone Collins: That’s a very... That would be really interesting if suddenly he has his, So what, where, where this last happened actually is, the, the girlfriend, the former girlfriend and baby mama of Elon Musk.

Malcolm Collins: Ah, who went lefty and

Simone Collins: did all the lefty podcasts. She did. Yeah, she did her apology tour. Sorry. And she did fairly w- like she was, she was accepted but with skepticism. Like she went on the A Bit Fruity podcast and they were like, “Yeah, we’ll hear you out. I mean, I think I believe you, but I’m not 100% sure.”

So I could see him being-

Malcolm Collins: And I, I also wanna point out something about his recent messaging around this that’s different from his historic messaging. That I, I told people his historic messaging was b- BS, and some of his fans actually believed him. And I think that this time, hopefully he has said enough that people understand, “Oh, Malcolm actually understood the situation better than I did.”

Which was he [00:28:00] would say when he told people to vote Democrat, he’s like, “This is an accelerationist thing. Like if you vote Democrat things will burn down faster, and then we can get the right type of Republican Party in place, then we can get the right type of Republican in place.”

Simone Collins: Cozzie, I think you’re discounting the extent to which this is a subversive thing.

That, one, it’s strategic on his part, that he knows that, like, to keep pushing the extent to which he can be subversive, he has to now go where no one has gone before: Democrat. But also, he’ll be able to pick up all the subversive Democrats who want to be rebellious in some way or more edgy, ‘cause there’s nothing Democrats hate more than the Democratic Party.

I

Malcolm Collins: don’t, I do not think that at all. Really? I think this is, if you watch the actual clip where he’s talking about this stuff, he is not in out there Nick Fuentes voice. He is not in hyperbolic Nick Fuentes voice. These appear to be- No, but- ... and they are in line with his-

Simone Collins: To be a moderate Democrat is to be [00:29:00] subversive, but also weirdly apply to subversive

Malcolm Collins: Democrats No, I know.

But when he’s doing his subversive thing, y- if you watch his show, he’ll have moments where he is subversive to be subversive, and he gets all giddy about it, and he does this whole act about it. This is not him being subversive to be subversive. This is his honest opinion. And I think that if you look at it in the context of his previous statements, which is a point I was trying to make, where historically, and part of his audience genuinely believed this, that he would tell people to not vote for Trump or tell people to vote Democrat with the understanding that if the Republican coalition became unviable without him and people like him that eventually a new form of Republicanism would grow that was more in line with the values he claimed to espouse.

This has been his historic talking point. This talking point has been dropped, okay? Now he is just, “I am [00:30:00] pro-Democrat If the Republicans are in line with and allied with groups like interracial

Simone Collins: marriage- Oh, yeah, because he’s anti, anti-Indian. Why is it so freaking trendy to be anti-Indian in America?

Malcolm Collins: Well, actually, this is a wider thing. Both in the UK and in the United States, if you look at the Indian political class out- outside of, I mean, I guess you could consider Kamala Harris partially Indian, but, like, she doesn’t identify that

Simone Collins: way. No, she leaned into her, like, “I’m partially.”

Malcolm Collins: Yeah. But if you look at the Indians who are, like, big in politics both in the UK and in the United States, the, the, the big names are mostly Republicans, right w- right wing.

Vivek Chamath and and JD Vance’s wife. I know Chamath is...

Simone Collins: Yeah.

Malcolm Collins: Chamath is very right-wing. Are you serious?

Simone Collins: I know, but I was, I was gonna say, he’s not, like, that active as a political player, but I guess he

Malcolm Collins: is. He has one of the most popular podcasts in the country.

Simone Collins: Yeah, Make It Political.

Yeah.

Malcolm Collins: Okay. Okay. And the, there was a, [00:31:00] a leader, the last leader of the UK Conservative coalition was an Indian,

Simone Collins: Oh, yeah, the prime minister.

Malcolm Collins: Yeah. He was, like, complicated. So, th- well, the point I’m making here is that Indians as an ethnic group have largely, at least in their elite caste aligned with right-leaning politics.

As to why this has been the case, if people are wondering, like, they’re like, “That’s odd,” like, why would that make so much sense? There’s a couple reason why this has happened. And, and the right has, while skeptical of them being, like, full Americans, largely embrace them. I mean, there are issues with Indians that need to be addressed, like the nepotistic behavior they show in the tech world.

But in the United States at least they have largely been accept- a- accepted by the political caste. And the reason is, is a fewfold. One is, is that they generally hate Muslims e- except for the Indian Muslims. But the, the Indian Muslims typically don’t make a lot of money in the United States.

They’re, they’re you know, poorer immigrants. But the, the wealthy tech mogul Indians are mostly Hindis, Jain, Christian Indian [00:32:00] descendants. A few Sikhs, but not many. But, but don’t worry, the Sikhs also generally hate Muslims. So there’s that. And the second one is, is they’re disproportionately wealthy and disproportionately libertarian in sort of their value system.

Now if you look at the overall Indian voting bloc, yes, they vote less. I’m just talking about the political class here. And obviously this infuriates people like Nick Fuentes, right? Who had this like, as I’ve described by Nick Fuentes in the past, if you wanna understand his ideology, he’s somebody who’s driven much more- By seeing the things he hates destroyed than seeing the things he cares about succeed.

And so long as he can make political decisions that increase the probability of the things that annoy him or would not kowtow to his vision, it’s not even, like, broadly... Like, as I pointed out, he’s super against Vance. He’s had long rants against Vance. Vance is the most anti-war mainstream Republican candidate out there [00:33:00] right now.

He, he is- Well,

Simone Collins: and he’s Catholic.

Malcolm Collins: And he’s Catholic, right? Like the idea that he would be anti-Vance shows that it is not about being anti-war for him. It’s about seeing Israel suffer. With, it’s not really about being pro-Democrat. It’s about seeing the Republicans suffer. And if you look at his value set, like if he actually believes that life began at conception, or if he was actually concerned about the population being replaced, or if he was ev- One, he’d be having kids.

I mean, I’ve pointed this out before. He could trivially easily get a wife at this point, and I’ve always pointed out, to me, that’s always been the smoking gun. If you look- You

Simone Collins: don’t know. He could have a secret wife for all we know.

Malcolm Collins: He doesn’t have a secret wife. And I always love this one, when people are like, “Oh, no, if you listen to his requirements for a wife, you’ll understand why he doesn’t have a wife.”

And I’m like, “Bro, don’t be so brain cucked on this.” If you listen to his requirements for a wife, they are obviously intentionally designed to be something that [00:34:00] he will never meet. They are preferences he can make What, what’s the word I’m looking here for? Concessions on. You know, he’s like, “Oh, I wanna meet a wife who’s permanently offline and whatever.”

Like, well, if... S- Do, do not sip on that. If that series of requirements prevents him from finding a woman, and yet he believes, like, the white race is being eradicated and being replaced, presumably preserving the right- white race, if, if you believe his world perspective, is more important than him finding a wife who meets all of these very particular peculiarities that he’s looking for if he actually believed all that.

Now, again, I think he does actually believe it. I just think he’s far more motivated by the things he hates than the things he cares about. And so that he can functionally understand that if we get Democrats in power again, they’re likely gonna change elect- They’re gonna stuff the Supreme Court.

They’re going to let in tons of illegal immigrants. We’re going to end up in a situation where we may [00:35:00] not be able to win again. We’re going to be... Like, if Kamala Harris had won, do you think our channel would still be on the air right now? Like, very obviously not.

Simone Collins: Oh, God. That’s dark.

Malcolm Collins: Well, I mean, it’s true.

They were, they w- they have been increasingly tightening the bolts on social media. And, and but that does help channels like his. One of the other things people noted that was a huge red flag for a lot of people is he was very prominently at the Jan 6th riot, yet was never arrested for it. And so a lot of people are like, “Why?”

Right? And people will note, “Well, he didn’t participate in X part of the riot, or Y part of the riot,” or he was-

Simone Collins: Well, that’s true. I mean, to be arrested you have to be convicted of actually breaking the law. Like- Not

Malcolm Collins: true ...

Simone Collins: assaulting someone

Malcolm Collins: Many Jan 6th terrorists were as tangentially connected as he was

Simone Collins: So they weren’t, like, actively vandalizing something and they still- Yeah

got arrested.

Malcolm Collins: Yeah.

Simone Collins: I gotta look into that

Malcolm Collins: because

Speaker 16: So for context here, , we had [00:36:00] Nick Fuentes, who was at the Rally to Save America, performatively speaking there through a bullhorn, yelling things like, “Keep moving towards the Capitol. It appears we are taking the Capitol back,” , and, “Break down the barriers and disregard the police.” , And celebrating with rioters over lines like, “We have taken back the Capitol Building.”

, And if you look at other individuals who have been charged, they did demonstrably less than this. , Individuals like Ray Epps, who was given a year of probation for encouraging the crowd, , which is... A- and he never, , you know, went into the buildings or anything like that. , Coy Griffin also, , never went into the buildings.

, And so it’s almost sort of ghoulish how Nick led his followers. Like, how did he know not to go into the buildings? How did he know to tell everyone else to go into the buildings, but he didn’t go into the buildings himself? , It wasn’t obvious to a lot of people that that was against the rules, so why didn’t he do it?

Was he setting people up? Was he part of the setup? [00:37:00] Because it looks a lot , like, as an outsider, why did some people who encouraged the crowd get in trouble, and why did he not get in trouble? How did he know the imaginary lines not to cross when he was telling other people in no uncertain terms to cross those lines?

Like, does that not seem curious to anyone? H- I, and, and it’s so ghoulish that he led his followers into this, and we know that this was in part, now because of leaks, , a setup, right? Like, we know that there were, , CIA agents among the crowd, , and that in part this was done to try to paint the right in a bad light.

, Has that not been Nick’s career since then? Like, you just need to paste a few things together to see what’s really going on here

Malcolm Collins: I know- Yeah, no. People were, who were doing the same type of things that he is well doc- Given how fastidiously they searched out and went after everyone affiliated with that, why not him? And this brings me to, I guess, the larger point here, which is what [00:38:00] are the chances that he’s actually a plant?

My odds are very low, I think around 3%. Because I also understand in t- I, I just think that he’s being botted by people. I think he’s being protected

Simone Collins: by people. Yeah, there’s, there’s a difference between being artificially monetized or propped up but not knowing it, and being actively, like, supported and be- knowing about it.

Yeah. Just like Mormon influencers, you pointed out, and other people have, like Alyssa Grenfell, that Mormon influencers-

Malcolm Collins: Don’t get... Continue

Simone Collins: Morm- Mormon influencers are making more money and posting more content because they’re able to make so much money from their content because the LDS church pays more money for ads on LDS content.

Malcolm Collins: Yeah, we have a whole episode on that, which is why, why do Mormons want to be called LES where we go into the math on that- No, why do Mormons

Simone Collins: call themselves Mormons is the-

Malcolm Collins: Yeah, why, why do Mormons call themselves Mormons. Very detailed, we go into the math on that. By the way, people are wondering why people are saying he’s botted now.

So on X, [00:39:00] his tweets, they have, like, a farm of, of reposters around them. And when it, and they’re so aggressive that they often beat Elon’s tweets in terms of the amount of reposts- Nick Fuentes’ tweets? Sorry, no. Yes, Nick Fuentes’ tweets in terms of immediate reposts beat Elon tweets despite his much smaller following.

That’s weird ... and well, it’s weird but you could’ve thought it was organic until X did that thing where they showed the country of origin of all those accounts, and they were all, like, Nigeria and Pakistan and India and so immediately everyone’s like, “Oh, so this is...” And I don’t think he’s fully aware of, of why forces are, are doing this.

Simone Collins: Well, he needs no reason to look into it. Why would you? You know.

Malcolm Collins: Well, I think that he is audience captured by-

Simone Collins: Mm ...

Malcolm Collins: a fake audience. Like, we see it in our posts as well, where if you look at the places where people post fake things we will see, like, really aggressive, for example, [00:40:00] anti-Israel posting.

Like, on our YouTube or in, like, random ats at X. If we look at places where, like, I know there’s a real persistent audience, like Discord, we don’t see any of that. It, it, it’s also true, like, if I’m doing a stream, because I, I do streaming, and this is something I’ve really noticed you can judge authentic engagement.

Because bots do not appear to engage with, like, mid-tier streams a lot. And now that I’ve done Leaflet’s stream a number of times, I’m able to sort of gauge when, like, Israel comes up or the war in Iran comes up or even Nick Fuentes comes up how many people, like, start shilling him versus how many people attack him.

And, and so far, like when Nick Fuentes has come up on the Leaflet stream, I haven’t seen a single comment defending him or confused as to why we would bring this up. Whereas on our YouTube comments where you do- Oh my God,

Simone Collins: yeah ... mainly bots. Check, we’ll see what the comments are of this video today.

Malcolm Collins: Yeah. And so- Oh,

Simone Collins: Nick Fuentes is this and that. What are they gonna say? [00:41:00] Call it. What do you think they’re gonna say?

Malcolm Collins: Well, they’re gonna say it’s a joke, or th- this is in line with his previous accelerationist agenda. But he, he’s not framing this in accelerationist terms anymore. Don’t do that.

Simone Collins: What was, what was that?

Malcolm Collins: Jelly beans. She’s just going around destroying stuff now. Oh, God.

Don’t do that.

She looks really sad right now. Like-

Yeah, don’t do it. You can cry if you want to, but don’t do it.

You are too sweet to these kids.

Simone Collins: Give her

Malcolm Collins: a hug. Okay, I’ll give her a hug. You can come here and get a hug, but stop it, okay? Come here, I’ll give you a hug. I’ll even give you a kiss.[00:42:00]

Come here. Come here.

Okay. Are you gonna tell the fans that you’re not gonna do that again and you’re not gonna make a lot of noises? Do you want a kiss? Do you want a kiss, sweetheart?

Simone Collins: Do

Malcolm Collins: you feel better now?

Simone Collins: Yeah, you’re okay, Andy.

Yeah, hold

Malcolm Collins: on. Let’s, let’s try to model what they’re gonna say about this. They’re gonna say it’s a joke, and they’re gonna say the evidence of the joke is he says he’s an Afro-Latino in it. Like, that’s the one part of it that could be a signal of a joke.

Simone Collins: Yeah.

Malcolm Collins: The problem with that one statement in it is everything else in it is in line with everything he’s ever said, A.

B, he is partially Latino as far as I know. Or at least I’ve heard that as an accusation of him from outsiders.

Simone Collins: Well, his last name is Fuentes.

Malcolm Collins: Yeah, so I... he’s at least Southern [00:43:00] European, which is the same ethnic group as, as, as Latino. So like it makes sense that he’s getting this accusation or that he would make that claim.

He’s like, “Well, now that I’m joining the left, I can use my Latino heritage,” right? Like, I can use a Latino identity.

Simone Collins: Oh, I like that. That’s fun.

Malcolm Collins: But yeah, I actually... If I’m gonna be more clear, I think the Afro-Latino thing was a joke sprinkled in with a bunch of stuff that wasn’t a joke. Because he will often, even when he’s saying w- w- when he used to say right-wing things, he would sprinkle in jokes here and there, right?

Like, that’s his style of communication. But everything else, like what the Trump administration destroyed and dismantled that’s in line with the stuff he’s been saying on his show when he’s pretending to be right-wing, right? Like, this is just his value set, right?

Simone Collins: Yeah.

Malcolm Collins: So I think that, that... I mean, that’s the harder thing.

Like, if you have actually, and I think that this is the thing, if you have actually been watching Nick Fuentes for a while and are open to changing your mind on [00:44:00] him when you see this recent like I’m a moderate Democrat rant, you can really consider it in the context of everything else he’s saying in the rant and just ask, does this sound like a joke or does it align with the other stuff that he’s been complaining about recently?

And to me if you, if you take his agenda to be see the Jews suffer, see the Trump administration suffer, see the GOP suffer above all other things, above saving unborn lives, above the immigration crisis, above saving Western civilization he actually disaligns with the modern left on very few issues, right?

Like, every one of those key points that he has is just a leftist issue.

Simone Collins: Aside from immigration, I think that’s the really key thing.

Malcolm Collins: Well, hold on. He- Has never really thrown down the gauntlet on immigration. He has been anti-ICE before. What I mean is he’s never said, “I’m turning away from the Republicans ‘cause they’re not strict enough on immigration.”

He has [00:45:00] complained about ICE being too ruthless in the past. He is not as anti-immigration as people make him out to be. He will take anti-immigration stances, but when push comes to sh- shove and we need to, like, round the wheels on stuff like people complaining about ICE, he will-

Simone Collins: Circle the wagons

Malcolm Collins: circle the wagons. He’ll completely back away and retreat. And I think that this is indicative of the fact that he was performatively anti... Because, like, if you’re anti- if you’re actually, like, anti- if you’re like, “I wanna preserve the white race I wanna preserve white people as an ethnic group,” you would have kids, right?

Like, it- it’s- it’s a trivially, well, not trivially easy thing to do, but it- for someone like him, he could do it. He just needs to make a few compromises, right? Which apparently given he says that this is existential for him, so we know he’s not telling the truth about that.

Speaker 20: This is called rhetoric versus revealed preference for people who are not aware of it. , And it’s an, it’s something you should really look at in terms of [00:46:00] the figures you are looking at for sort of ideological framing, ideological advice, because they will show you whether they really believe what they’re telling you through their own actions in life.

And I think through our actions in life, people can see that we are 100% serious and believe what we’re saying. , Whereas I think the revealed preference is Nick is he does not believe what he’s saying or he would make compromises around finding a wife

Malcolm Collins: In addition to that the fact that he is so willing to go with the Democrats during a time period where they could use immigration to shift voting blocks in a way that we will never be able to recover from I think also shows he’s interested in being performatively anti-immigration.

But the performative anti-immigration stuff, I think is more in- in- in- in line with achieving his wider agenda. Like, if you look at him recently, like, on his show, if you look at the immigrant groups that are actually causing problems in America, right? Like- like, at a [00:47:00] major level, right? You’ve got Somalians .Muslims, and to a lesser extent, Hispanics.

I- I sent you the welfare statistics on Hispanic immigrants up to the third generation, right? Oh, I forgot. Told you to take a look at. Yeah.

Simone Collins: No, that’s been trending. Yeah.

Malcolm Collins: Yeah. So I- I’m- I’m actually walking back my position on Hispanic immigrants a bit. I’m like, “Eh, they’re a bigger problem than I thought.”.

Simone Collins: Look, again, like, immigration is not a problem if you shift the way that you offer social services.

Malcolm Collins: I agree, but, you know, we haven’t yet, so we need to deal with immigration. So if we look at- Mm ... the groups that are actually, like, damaging ethnic groups to the country at, like, an existential level, and you contrast the amount he complains about those groups with the amount he complains about Indians and Jews, it’s, like, not even comparable.

And I think that, like, do Jews, like, run scams? Yes. You can see our episodes where, like, we complain about the O- Orthodox Jewish scams, the rounding the wagon on that. It’s our episode called Speed Running a [00:48:00] Pogrom. Obviously very spicy, right? But Jews are still net tax contributors to the United States.

Indians. Do Indians disproportionately take jobs? Yes, they absolutely do. I find that incredibly infuriating. Do Indians also start successful tech companies and are they net tax contributors? Yes, they’re obviously net tax contributors. So when I’m dealing with groups like that, while I may have animosity, it’s like...

And I may say there’s things that we need to do, there’s conversations that need to be had. If you’re mentioning those groups at, like, 10x the rate of groups that are, like, actively on a daily basis causing harm that’s a, that’s an issue for me. Right? And note here about other people who we have said have gone crazy recent- like, we had the episode where we’re like, “Tucker...”

Because I, I talk about my Mossad poisoning conspiracy, that they poison people who do start to go lefty and they start going crazy.

They start to go anti-Israel or start to question Israel. And you know, we have Nick Fuentes, Tucker Carlson, and, and Candace Owens here. And some people when I said [00:49:00] that were like, “Oh, come on Malcolm, Tucker Carlson is really on point.

He’s super based.” And I’m like, “Bro.” Like I wonder, do these people, like, step back and be like, “Maybe Malcolm is seeing things that I’m not or predicting things that I’m not,” when it turns out that now Tucker Carlson says Tuc- like Trump is casting spells on his cabinet members? I, I don’t know if you guys have seen this interview.

It’s effing, like-

Simone Collins: Everyone has seen this interview.

Malcolm Collins: He’s actually lost his mind. This isn’t normal stuff.

Simone Collins: Well, and that he’s, like, outright denying that he ever implied that Trump was the antichrist. There’s multiple- Yeah. Well,

Malcolm Collins: I mean a lot of people say people are antichrist this, antichrist that. Like, that’s, that’s less to me than him saying that he was, and, and based on his own subjective experience, under a spell when he was around Trump.

Speaker 13: And there is a kind of quality that he has that’s spellbinding, and I think it probably literally [00:50:00] is a spell. Uh, and the effect is to weaken people around him and make them more compliant and more confused. And I- I’ve experienced this myself. You spend a day with Trump, and sort of like you’re in this kind of dreamland.

It’s like smoking hash or something. It’s interesting. Very interesting. And there may be a supernatural component to it. I’m not a theologian, but I... It’s real, and anyone who’s been around him can tell you it’s real.

Speaker 14: You’ve been talking on your show about whether Trump is the Antichrist.

Speaker 13: I have not said that.

Speaker 14: On your show, the day after Easter, you noted he did not put his hand on the Bible during his swearing-in- Correct

ceremony as president. You said, and I’m quoting, “Maybe he didn’t put his hand on the Bible because he affirmatively rejects what’s inside that book.” And then on a recent show, you went further, saying, “Here’s a leader who’s mocking the gods of his ancestors, mocking the God of gods, and exalting himself above them.

Could this be the Antichrist?”

Speaker 12: I actually did not say, “Could this be the Antichrist?”

Speaker 13: Here’s a leader who’s mocking the gods of his ancestors, mocking the God of gods, and exalting himself above them. [00:51:00] Could this be the Antichrist? Well, who knows? Um, I don’t know where that comes from, but I know that those words never left my lips,

Malcolm Collins: that’s like wiccans casting spells on Charlie Kirk level stuff, right? Like-

Simone Collins: That actually feeds into our our theory with Tucker Carlson. Our theory with him is that he tends to spend time with people and just try to be very agreeable around them, and, like, go with the flow, and he becomes very convinced by them.

Yeah. And so it doesn’t matter if he’s with, like, the Qataris or the Russians or with President Trump.

Malcolm Collins: Yeah, but he didn’t say this about anyone else. He said it about Trump.

Simone Collins: Well, yes, but he could have said it about anyone.

Malcolm Collins: But he, but he didn’t. He said it about Trump.

Simone Collins: He... I’m ju- I just think it’s kind of a thing he does, though.

He’s a very agreeable person.

Malcolm Collins: Ju- just to be clear, the, the leader of the GOP faction, right? Like, that’s who he said it about.

Simone Collins: I know.

Malcolm Collins: I j- I just wanna, like, be clear that we’re on the same page with this,

Simone Collins: right? Like- Well, he was, he was talking with a fairly [00:52:00] leftist journalist about this, so he was being agreeable to her

Malcolm Collins: I, I agree, but he didn’t complain about that.

He didn’t say, “A journalist put me under a spell.” He didn’t

Simone Collins: say that- No, no, he was un- he was under the spell of the journalist when he said that about Trump. Oh. What I’m trying to say is Tucker Carlson, I mean, so he may, he may feel like he’s under a spell, but that’s because he, by, by personality is a-

Malcolm Collins: I love your pathologically charitable framing of people.

I mean, to me he just came off like a crazy person. I, I, I, I like... When I say a crazy person, I mean if an employee said this, I would fire them the next day. Not because it was offensive, but because it shows that they are mentally unstable and potentially dangerous to other people in the office.

Simone Collins: Well, there’s, yeah, I mean, we’ve, we’ve discussed it would p- it would anger too many of the people in our audience, ‘cause they seem to be...

There are a lot of Tucker and Candace Stans in [00:53:00] our audience. But both of them seem to have, like, really recently gone off the rails in terms of their mysticism going too far.

Malcolm Collins: And eventually like- I, yeah, I, I sometimes wonder with, like, Tucker and Nick Stans, like, when is it too far? Like, when do they need to just be like, take off the mask and be like, “I’m a wolf.

I’ve been a wolf all along.” Like, can you see the whiskers? Can you see? And people are like, “That was a joke. That was a prank, bro. That was a prank.” But I think that this is incredibly healthy for the long-term right. So in the other video where I was discussing this, I was like, what does this mean for the future of the right-wing party if the deontological faction or at least the extremist parts of it, end up circling the w- the, the, the, the sort of drain and, and move into the Democratic coalition along with the Islamists, right?

And the answer is just a way healthier Republican Party going forwards. If you look at the people who are [00:54:00] still around I think what we’re increasingly seeing is as... There’s a part of the deontological faction that’s just going Nick Fuentes direction, right? Okay. There’s a part of the deontological faction that keeps getting caught cheating on their spouses or beating their spouse or yelling at staffers or like, I don’t know what’s up with these people and anger issues, right?

But, you know, whatever. And then there’s the, like, nerd faction. And as Leaflet said, it’s the nerd faction that’s really been having the right’s back. Like, they don’t make drama about things. They generally go along with what the administration is doing. They don’t really have internal drama very much or at all that I’m aware of.

I’m aware of no meaningful internal drama in the nerd faction. They just get out, and they just get out there and do stuff, right? Like, And, and I’m excited that this faction is in, i- it continuing to grow. And the final point I’d make, and I made this one a lot stronger in the episode where I talked about the future of the right.

But if [00:55:00] you go to CPAC or something like that, like you go to these institutions where, like, the cronies that used to control the White House before they were all founder fund members in this administration they, because we’ve gone to these events in the past this is where Nick Fuentes’ fan base hangs out.

Like, the, the people who have taken over right-wing institutions and have something of a Romanist agenda, right? These individuals, I remember I got in a fight with him, and this was... And I can say it, like I d- I don’t care. Like, the Claremont Group pretends to be, like, a mainstream right-wing organization, even within the MAGA faction.

And I was talking to some members at it, and they were clearly of, like, this, this orientation. Like, they were not aligned with us. They were aligned with the, the deontological faction, right? And they were talking about all these fantasies of laws they wanted to enact. And I was like, “Bro, like, that’s not aligned with MAGA’s values or what the base wants.”

And what they [00:56:00] said was, “F the base.” Like, very aggressively. Like, they were like, “F the base. Like, why would we care what the base wants? Like, we decide where the Republican Party goes. The base’ll vote for us whatever,” right? And I realize that if you look at the first Trump administration, and a lot of Republicans up until recently they’ve been heavily controlled by this faction.

And I think that going forwards to our fans who get in administrations and stuff like that, do not hire from the think tanks. The think tanks are lousy with these people, and they are very dangerous to our goals because they do not have aligned goals. And at CPAC, there were a number of these people who were interviewed, and they said stuff like, “MAGA is over.”

And what they really meant by that is, “Our ability to control MAGA is over. We have lost our ability to call the shots,

And that’s why MAGA had value to people like Nick Fuentes, to people like the think tank deep state on the right, is because they [00:57:00] thought they could manipulate it to achieve their ends, , rather than the ends that the base actually wanted. Again, look at things like the support among MAGA for the Iran war right now.

, The base is not with these people. It’s a 90/10 issue among MAGA. , But they, to them it’s over because they thought it was a tool they could use, and they’re like, “Well, this tool is boring to me now because, it completely sees through my BS

Malcolm Collins: and now MAGA is acting on its own, and I am furious about that because I cannot control it anymore for my personal agenda.” And I think that that’s where Nick has finally gone, is he’s like, “I cannot control this, therefore I don’t wanna be a part of it.”

Simone Collins: Well, so what are your predictions for Nick’s next move?

Malcolm Collins: Well, next move is, I think that he’s gonna go back to pretending to be Republican. He’s gonna go back to pretending this was a joke after the midterms. Perhaps even before the midterms if the pushback is, is, is loud enough from this. And he’s still gonna tell people, “Never vote for Republicans no matter what,” for at [00:58:00] least, like, the next eight years of elections or who knows, 15 years of elections, right?

He’s already signaling this, right? So, like, he’s not a useful part of the coalition. So you really

Simone Collins: don’t think there’s a world in which he, like, leans into the Democrat thing, the moderate Democrat

Malcolm Collins: thing? He might if he gets on some podcasts, if he gets some interviews out of it, I can totally see that.

Simone Collins: Because I think he can only go so much farther on the current wave he’s riding. I think that his switching to the Democrat party could get him a ton of additional media coverage and followers. Yeah.

Malcolm Collins: I mean, he doesn’t appeal very well to, like, the new right audience.

Simone Collins: Yeah, so from a strategic standpoint, that’s what I’m saying, is I feel like it’s a savvy move.

Yeah. I don’t know why he wouldn’t lean into it more.

Malcolm Collins: What I mean by that is while the new, like, new right audience would appreciate his vitalism, part of the thematic problem he has reaching them is if you look at the figures that he’d get really big on the new [00:59:00] right figures like, you know, Asmongold, Leaflet, et cetera, they’re, they’re typically sort of pathologically kind and, and, and pathologically compassionate.

Like Asmongold, like, literally catching the cockroach and letting it free outside, right? Like, He’s

Simone Collins: also put them in a box school, so.

Malcolm Collins: Right. No, but I mean, their, their true core is pathologically kind. You know, Hasan is, “Stop killing people in Gaza while I shock my dog,” right? Like-

Simone Collins: That’s true.

Yeah. Yeah, yeah.

Malcolm Collins: You know, if you, if you look at, Or, or Leaflet, where, like, she’s basically the god of her fantasy world that hundreds of people will play every day, and she refuses to move above level one, or being the guild receptionist in it. Even her avatar, for people who don’t know, she didn’t even create it.

It’s the child of two people from one D&D session she ran. Right. That is pathologically trying not to center yourself. Now do, how do we fall into this? I don’t know. I mean, I’m, I’m narcissistic [01:00:00] as heck, but I think I at least come across as authentic. So I do okay there. You’re

Simone Collins: the... If you’re narcissistic, though, like one thing that you’re really weird about is you feel incredibly concerned about never doing wrong by anyone who put their faith in you.

That’s not really what a narcissist does.

Malcolm Collins: Yeah.

Yeah, like if I had taken Nick’s position and gone to the Jan six riots and told people, “Go through-- like enter the building, keep moving,” and I hadn’t done it myself, and my followers were punished for believing in me, and th- no one ever came after me, my God, I, I don’t think I’d be able to live with myself.

Like the existential horror of not leading by example around something like that is, uh, just so antithetical to anything I could ever imagine doing. I-- like literally, if I had somehow, even by accident, not been able to go in, yet I had told people [01:01:00] to and they suffered lifelong consequences for it, , that would be the top of my mind every day going forwards,.

Malcolm Collins: So

Simone Collins: I don’t know. I mean, I guess

Malcolm Collins: for me, like- You’re a famewhore ... what’s been kind of important with this podcast, when people are like, “Oh,

Simone Collins: you’re-” You’re a famewhore, but you’re not a narcissist.

Malcolm Collins: Yeah. “... Basecamp had this really out there take on this or that, or X or Y or Z.”

I mean, I try to do that occasionally just to make sure that we’re not having just mainstream takes because there’s, there’s no better way to know that somebody is lying to you than if they only have normie takes for, for your position, right? Like, if everyone’s saying the same thing about X or Y or Z, then you know, they’re probably...

Th- this is what we saw with the girl who was cheating on her husband who’d, like, poked with the Sheik wedding and everything like that. Every one of her conservative takes was just the most normie conservative opinion p- possible because she didn’t actually hold these positions, you know? She was just saying what she thought she needed to say to appeal to an audience.

Simone Collins: There’s... Yeah. Anyway, I I- my [01:02:00] prediction is at least if he knows what’s good for him commercially, that he will lean into the Democrat thing, go on a Democrat press tour, pick up a bunch of what’s the word? Rebellious youth on the Democrat side, and then sort of circle around to, like, we need to create a new party or something like that.

Yeah. But that’s what I would do.

Malcolm Collins: Yeah, I can see that. I mean, I hope he does. If he creates a new party, that’d be fun.

Simone Collins: It

Malcolm Collins: would

Simone Collins: be fun ...

Malcolm Collins: mostly because I- he’s not useful in the conservative faction. He doesn’t get people to vote for right-leaning candidates. He always goes against them at the last minute.

So, like, and like we’ve been able to win elections without him, so I just... I don’t think that he’s helpful. I think he turns more people against us than he brings in for us, and if the left loses their ability to paint the entire right with stuff that Nick Fuentes did which they constantly do, right?

So it ends up hurting all of us in our, in our wider agenda. That’s, that’s useful as well, right?

Simone Collins: Yeah.

Malcolm Collins: So let’s hope. [01:03:00] I love you, Simone. This was a wild thing that this happened and I love that it happened. I love that we’re in this timeline. And yeah. Yes. I’m, I’m, yeah, I’m very interested to see what the stans say in the comments.

Simone Collins: Yeah. Let’s see what the either stans

Malcolm Collins: or- And, and note here, if you’re, like, a stan and you’re like, “Well, you know, I do agree with him that the most important thing that America needs to do is screw over Israel,” then a- and don’t get us wrong, like, we’re against continuing payments to Israel, everything like that.

But- Yeah ... if you’re into, like, “No, we need to actively screw them over. If something helps us but also helps Israel, we need to not do it,” the Democrats are that party right now. Like, if that’s your main issue, the Democrats are not conflicted about this point.

Simone Collins: Yeah.

Malcolm Collins: So just be a Democrat. Like, I, I don’t under- there isn’t really a normal

Simone Collins: right- This could be a very interesting political shift.

Maybe this is how both the Democrat and Republican Party get their group. They have this, like, major exchange of prisoners essentially.

Malcolm Collins: Yeah. [01:04:00]

Simone Collins: It could be, I don’t know, it could be the great reset. I’m excited. Anyway, sorry to everyone for my channeling RFK today. And I should be back to normal soon.

It’s ‘

Malcolm Collins: cause you ate too many gleamons or something.

Simone Collins: Yeah.

Malcolm Collins: I’d say.

Simone Collins: One, one too many

Malcolm Collins: vaccinations. Oh, Indy, do you wanna say goodbye to the fans?

Simone Collins: Yeah, Indy.

Malcolm Collins: Oh, this is how I lose things, right, Indy? Come.

Simone Collins: All

Malcolm Collins: right. So what do we say? We say bye like this. We go, bye bye bye, doing bye bye dance. Doing bye bye song.

Singing bye bye hands. I say goodbye, then I dance goodbye. Dancing and dancing in the house. In the sky.

Simone Collins: Dancing in the

sky. Yeah.

I

got a rhyme.

Malcolm Collins: You want me to do it again?

Simone Collins: Yeah.

Malcolm Collins: Bye bye. Say goodbye. And I say goodbye every [01:05:00] single day. And say goodbye every single way. Bye

Simone Collins: bye bye.

Malcolm Collins: Oh, and like and subscribe, guys, and try out RFAB if you wanna do, like, AI chatbot exploration, vibe putting, or image-making, or video-making, or soon V2 model making. I’ll let you guys know when I’m done with that. That’s been harder than I expected.

Simone Collins: Mm-hmm.

Lo mein tonight, right?

Malcolm Collins: If you can make it, yeah.

Simone Collins: Okay. Beef lo

Malcolm Collins: mein. Beef lo mein.

Simone Collins: All right. I love you, Malcolm.

Malcolm Collins: Love you too. You know how to say goodbye. Bye-bye. Can

Simone Collins: you say

Malcolm Collins: bye-bye?

Speaker 18: What is going on in here? We are jumping on my teddy bear. We are gonna jump on my teddy bear. Where’s Indy? Oh, Indy’s right there. We are gonna jump on my teddy bear [01:06:00] and see how he flies. Push these pillow signs when you’re safe. Okay? Are you up there, Titan?

Speaker 19: Where’s Titan? Titan? Can you get this for me? Do you want me to put that in your bed? No. No, I want to play with it. Down here, right?

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