In this intimate conversation, Laura sits down with her longtime friend and clinical social worker Nicole Wagner to explore what it really means to heal. From DBT and IFS to mindfulness and “wise mind,” this episode unpacks the practical tools that help us move out of all-or-nothing thinking and back into clarity, connection, and self-trust.

They trace Nicole’s path into therapy — shaped by caregiving, art, and a deep curiosity about people’s stories — and examine what brings people into therapy in the first place: the longing to be seen, heard, and understood. At the heart of the conversation is a powerful truth: we are often overwhelmed not by reality, but by the noise of our own thinking.

If you’ve ever wondered how to communicate your needs, navigate relationship limits, or reconnect with your authentic self, this episode offers grounded, practical insight.