What can we learn from a mere handful of dirt? For Nikki Silvestri, soil is both a metaphor and the literal “fertile” ground through which complexity and diversity thrive. Having worked on issues of food systems, sustainability, and public health, Silvestri describes soil as the link through which to engage in the work of building community, resilience, and social equity. Today, in her conversation with Douglas Rushkoff, Silvestri offers a unique approach to systems thinking, grounded in a deep sense of humility in the face the immensely complex natural systems that thrive just below our feet. 

Nikki Silvestri is the founder of Soil and Shadow and the the former executive director of Green for All and the People's Grocery. Visit http://www.nikkisilvestri.com and https://www.soilandshadow.com/ to learn more about Nikki and her work.

Today Douglas launches the show with a monologue on the Republican tax plan and the ulterior motives behind who it targets. 

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