In early 2021, Danielle Moodie was joined by Phillip Goff, CEO of the Center For Policing Equity, to discuss how we re-imagine the ways society sees police, and how we can re-imagine what "policing" means in our society. In the year and a half since this conversation, we have seen American governments re-affirm their financial commitments to traditional policing...is it too late now to transform or even abolish American police departments as we know them? Have we missed our narrow window of change, or is a better world still possible?

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