Kerry Lutz interviews Walter about retirement planning in a pension-less society. Walter explains that individuals are now more responsible for their own retirement outcomes, but may be less prepared due to a lack of education and understanding. He introduces his book, The 5th Option, which aims to make retirement planning more accessible by turning academic research into a story form. They discuss the four frustrating options of traditional financial planning for retirement income and introduce the 5th and 6th options, which are to create more income with fewer dollars and to have a secondary career during retirement, respectively. They also explore the benefits and drawbacks of investing in real estate for retirement income and emphasize the importance of creating passive income to replace active income during retirement. Kerry and Walter discuss the changing nature of work and retirement, noting that people are living longer and have more interests beyond their careers. They emphasize the importance of finding work that is at the intersection of what you're good at, what the world needs, what you can get paid to do, and what you're passionate about.