In a conversation so hot even Jeremy's audio is... well... hot. Sorry about that--Jeremy Vaeni and Tom Cheetham use a key paragraph from Carl Jung's autobiography as the jumping off point to question whether Jung misunderstood emptiness and if that misunderstanding kept him from the ultimate realization he was seeking. And that's only the beginning!

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