On the Journey

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What's On the Journey about?

Former Baptist pastor Ken Hensley, former Pentecostal pastor Kenny Burchard, and former Wesleyan Matt Swaim all came from very different theological backgrounds, but they all ended up finding a home in the Catholic Church. Each week, they take a look at a major issue or question they faced along the way, and share the series of events and discoveries that led them to embrace the Catholic faith.

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On the Journey episodes:

05.14.2024
On the Journey, Episode 147: God Said, "Become Catholic!" - Kenny's Story, Part VII
Kenny Burchard joins Matt Swaim and Ken Hensley to share the story of how he finally ended up becoming Catholic. Having left Pentecostal ministry, Kenny ended up looking at a few possible church environments that he thought he and his...
05.08.2024
On the Journey, Episode 146: Leaving the Ministry - Kenny's Story, Part VI
Kenny Burchard continues to share with Matt Swaim and Ken Hensley the story of his journey to the Catholic Faith. Kenny shares the series of experiences and the process of discernment that led him to step away from ministry as...
05.01.2024
On the Journey, Episode 145: All That Scandal - Kenny's Story, Part V
Kenny Burchard continues to share with Matt Swaim and Ken Hensley the story of his journey to the Catholic Faith. When Kenny, who had been a Pentecostal pastor, told some friends he was considering becoming Catholic, he was asked why...
04.24.2024
On the Journey, Episode 144: Which Christianity? – Kenny’s Story, Part IV
Kenny Burchard continues to share with Matt Swaim and Ken Hensley the story of his journey to the Catholic Faith. As Kenny discovered more and more divisions among Christians, he became increasingly unsettled by them. He and his wife got...
04.17.2024
On the Journey, Episode 143: What Kind of Christian Am I? – Kenny’s Story, Part III
Kenny Burchard continues to share with Matt Swaim and Ken Hensley the story of his journey to the Catholic Faith. As Kenny tried to find his way in his new life as a Christian, the question of where he fit among...
04.10.2024
On the Journey, Episode 142: Ignorance on Fire – Kenny’s Story, Part II
Kenny Burchard continues to share with Matt Swaim and Ken Hensley the story of his journey to the Catholic Faith. At the end of the last episode, Kenny was a brand new, "born-again" Christian. He shares how in that first...
04.03.2024
On the Journey, Episode 141: "I Must Be Born Again!" - Kenny's Story, Part I
In a new series of On the Journey, Kenny Burchard begins to share with Matt Swaim and Ken Hensley the story of his journey to the Catholic Faith. Kenny starts at the very beginning: from being given up for adoption by...
01.31.2024
On the Journey, Episode 140: The Church is Apostolic
Ken Hensley was a Baptist Pastor, and Kenny Burchard presided over a Pentecostal congregation. What did they think about the word "apostolic?" Matt Swaim, Ken Hensley, and Kenny Burchard discuss what kinds of things came to mind in regard to the word...
01.17.2024
On the Journey, Episode 139: What is the Church? Part XII
Matt Swaim, Ken Hensley and Kenny Burchard continue their series on the Church. The Catholic Church has four marks: it is one, holy, catholic, and apostolic. As they dig even deeper into the meaning of the word “catholic,” Matt, Ken, and...
12.13.2023
On the Journey, Episode 138: What is the Church? Part XI
Matt Swaim, Ken Hensley and Kenny Burchard continue their series on the Church. The Catholic Church has four marks: it is one, holy, catholic, and apostolic. As they dig even deeper into the meaning of the word "catholic," Matt, Ken, and Kenny...
12.06.2023
On the Journey, Episode 137: What is the Church? Part X
Matt Swaim, Ken Hensley and Kenny Burchard continue their series on the Church. In the Nicene and Apostles' Creeds, we profess that the Church is "catholic," but what do we mean by that? Former Protestant pastors Ken Hensley and Kenny...
11.29.2023
On the Journey, Episode 136: What is the Church? Part IX
Matt Swaim, Ken Hensley and Kenny Burchard continue their series on the Church. In both Scripture and the writings of early Christianity, the Church is repeatedly referred to as "holy." How are we to understand that, if we know that...
11.08.2023
On the Journey, Episode 135: What is the Church? Part VIII
Matt Swaim, Ken Hensley and Kenny Burchard continue their series on the Church. In the Nicene Creed, Christians profess that they believe the Church to be "one." What does that mean? How did Ken and Kenny think about the idea...
11.01.2023
On the Journey, Episode 134 - What is the Church? Part VII
Matt Swaim, Ken Hensley and Kenny Burchard continue their series on the Church. “What the soul is to the human body, the Holy Spirit is to the Body of Christ, which is the Church.” - St. Augustine How would Ken...
10.18.2023
On the Journey, Episode 133: What is the Church? Part VI
Matt Swaim, Ken Hensley and Kenny Burchard continue their series on the Church. This time around, they focus on Scriptural imagery of the Church as the body of Christ, as well as the bride of Christ. As former Protestant pastors,...
10.04.2023
On the Journey, Episode 132 – What is the Church? Part V
Matt Swaim, Ken Hensley and Kenny Burchard continue their series on the Church. When they were Evangelical pastors, how much did Ken and Kenny think about the Church as a continuation of the covenants God had made with his people...
09.27.2023
On the Journey, Episode 131 – What is the Church? Part IV
Matt Swaim, Ken Hensley and Kenny Burchard continue their series on the Church. The Catholic Catechism talks about the Church as being both earthly and heavenly, visible and invisible, hierarchical and mystical. In short, she is a "mystery" -- but...
09.20.2023
On the Journey, Episode 130 – What is the Church? Part III
Matt Swaim, Ken Hensley and Kenny Burchard continue their series on the Church. In this episode, they walk through the Catechism’s section on the Church’s Origin, Foundation and Mission. Here we see the Church born of the eternal plan of...
09.13.2023
On the Journey, Episode 129 – What is the Church? Part II
Matt Swaim, Ken Hensley and Kenny Burchard continue their series on the Church. In this episode, they begin to examine the Catechism’s treatment of Article 9 of the Apostle’s Creed, “I believe in the Holy Catholic Church,” focusing on the...
09.05.2023
On the Journey, Episode 128 - What is the Church? Part I
Matt Swaim, Ken Hensley and Kenny Burchard begin a new OTJ series on the Church. When Ken and Kenny were Evangelical pastors, what did they mean by the word "Church?" When Matt was attending different congregations, how did he understand...
06.28.2023
On the Journey with Matt, Ken and Kenny - Summer Update
A special Summer message to our On the Journey family: Over the Summer, we're taking a short break from recording new episodes while we plan our next big series, which will be all about The Church. Since Ken and Kenny...
06.21.2023
On the Journey, Episode 127: How to Become Holy, Part VIII
Matt Swaim, Ken Hensley and Kenny Burchard conclude their series on what it means to follow Christ and be transformed into his image in the process. In this final episode, they summarize the entire series and add one crucial point that...
05.31.2023
On the Journey, Episode 126: How to Become Holy, Part VII
Matt Swaim, Ken Hensley and Kenny Burchard continue their series on what it means to follow Christ and be transformed into his image in the process. In this episode, as they follow the Holy Spirit into the desert to be tested,...
05.24.2023
On the Journey, Episode 125: How to Become Holy, Part VI
Matt, Ken and Kenny continue their series on what it means to follow Christ and be transformed into his image in the process. In this episode, we follow the Holy Spirit into the desert to be tested and tried and changed...
05.17.2023
On the Journey, Episode 124: How to Become Holy, Part V
Matt, Ken and Kenny continue their series on what it means to follow Christ and be transformed into his image in the process. In this episode, they continue exploring the practical steps involved in the process of sanctification by looking...
04.19.2023
On the Journey, Episode 123: How to Become Holy, Part IV
Matt Swaim, Ken Hensley, and Kenny Burchard continue their series on what it means to follow Christ, and receive His promises as part of the Christian life. In this episode, Matt, Ken and Kenny begin to explore the practical steps...
04.12.2023
On the Journey, Episode 122: How to Become Holy, Part III
Matt Swaim, Ken Hensley, and Kenny Burchard continue their series on what it means to follow Christ, and receive His promises as part of the Christian life. Ken unpacks the story of Israel in Exodus as a pattern of sin and...
03.29.2023
On the Journey, Episode 121: How to Become Holy, Part II
Matt Swaim, Ken Hensley, and Kenny Burchard continue their series on the doctrine of Sanctification, asking the question: What is the process by which we as believers in Christ are changed into His likeness "from one degree of glory to...
03.22.2023
On the Journey, Episode 120: How to Become Holy, Part I
In Ephesians 4:22-24 St. Paul admonishes all believers to leave aside their old ways and to “put on the “new nature, created after the likeness of God in true righteousness and holiness.” How does this happen? How are we changed...
03.01.2023
On the Journey, Episode 119: Three Protestants Go to Mass, Part X
Matt Swaim, Ken Hensley, and Kenny Burchard conclude their series comparing their own experiences of leading Protestant worship gatherings with what they experienced when they began going to Mass. To finish things off, they look at the Concluding Rites, what's being...
02.22.2023
On the Journey with Matt, Ken and Kenny, Episode 118: Three Protestants Go to Mass, Part IX
Matt Swaim, Ken Hensley, and Kenny Burchard continue their series comparing their own experiences of leading Protestant worship gatherings with what they experienced when they began going to Mass. In this episode, they look back at the process of how Communion...
02.15.2023
On the Journey with Matt, Ken and Kenny, Episode 117: Three Protestants Go to Mass, Part VIII
Matt Swaim, Ken Hensley, and Kenny Burchard continue their series comparing their own experiences of leading Protestant worship gatherings with what they experienced when they began going to Mass. This week, they dive into the Liturgy of the Eucharist, and...
02.08.2023
On the Journey with Matt, Ken and Kenny, Episode 116: Three Protestants Go to Mass, Part VII
Matt Swaim, Ken Hensley, and Kenny Burchard continue their series comparing their own experiences of leading Protestant worship gatherings with what they experienced when they began going to Mass. This week, they talk about a major aspect of the Mass that...
02.01.2023
On the Journey with Matt, Ken and Kenny, Episode 115: Three Protestants Go to Mass, Part VI
Matt Swaim, Ken Hensley, and Kenny Burchard continue their series comparing their own experiences of leading Protestant worship gatherings with what they experienced when they began going to Mass. In this episode, they begin to dig into the various prayers...
12.21.2022
On the Journey with Matt, Ken and Kenny, Episode 114: Non-Catholics are Coming Home (we help!)
In a special behind-the-scenes episode of On the Journey, Matt, Ken and Kenny talk a bit about their roles at The Coming Home Network, the way their experience as converts has informed their approach to the series, and how the pastoral care mission...
12.14.2022
On the Journey with Matt, Ken and Kenny, Episode 113: Three Protestants Go to Mass, Part V
Matt Swaim, Ken Hensley, and Kenny Burchard continue their series comparing their own experiences of leading Protestant worship gatherings with what they experienced when they began going to Mass. For so many Christians, the high point of Sunday worship is...
11.23.2022
On the Journey with Matt, Ken and Kenny, Episode 112: Three Protestants Go to Mass, Part IV
Matt Swaim, Ken Hensley, and Kenny Burchard continue their series comparing their own experiences of leading Protestant worship gatherings with what they experienced when they began going to Mass. One of the misconceptions about Mass is that it is dead ritual...
11.16.2022
On the Journey with Matt, Ken and Kenny, Episode 111: Three Protestants Go to Mass, Part III
Matt Swaim, Ken Hensley, and Kenny Burchard continue their series comparing their own experiences of leading Protestant worship gatherings with what they experienced when they began going to Mass. In this episode, Matt, Ken and Kenny dig into the Liturgy of...
11.09.2022
On the Journey with Matt, Ken and Kenny, Episode 110: Three Protestants Go to Mass, Part II
Matt Swaim, Ken Hensley, and Kenny Burchard continue their series comparing their own experiences of leading Protestant worship gatherings with what they experienced when they first went to Mass. In this episode, Matt, Ken and Kenny look at the Introductory Rites...
11.02.2022
On the Journey with Matt, Ken and Kenny, Episode 109 - Three Protestants Go to Mass, Part I
All Christians talk about worship, but not all understand it in the same way. What is our goal in gathering together regularly as a community of believers? What should we be doing when we're together? How does God ask us...
10.19.2022
On the Journey with Matt and Ken and Kenny, Episode 108: Are Protestants Christians?
It's not uncommon for some Protestants to wonder if Catholics are actually Christians. But for Matt Swaim, Ken Hensley, and Kenny Burchard, who came from Protestant backgrounds and became Catholic, what did it look like to them to have that...
10.12.2022
On the Journey with Matt and Ken and Kenny, Episode 107: Frequently Asked Questions About Mary
Matt Swaim, Ken Hensley, and Kenny Burchard conclude their series on what they used to believe about Mary as Protestants, and how they came to embrace Catholic teaching about her. In this episode, they address some of the common objections non-Catholics...
10.05.2022
On the Journey with Matt and Ken and Kenny, Episode 106: The Intercession of Mary and the Saints
Matt Swaim, Ken Hensley, and Kenny Burchard continue to discuss what they used to believe about Mary as Protestants, and how they came to embrace Catholic teaching about her. Beyond the dogmas, there is the question of Marian devotion, and...
09.07.2022
On the Journey with Matt and Ken and Kenny, Episode 105: Mary’s Assumption and Queenship
Matt, Ken, and Kenny wrap up their series on the Marian dogmas, discussing what they used to believe about Mary as Protestants, and how they came to embrace the Catholic teaching about her. What is the Biblical precedent for being assumed...
08.31.2022
On the Journey with Matt and Ken and Kenny, Episode 104: The Immaculate Conception of Mary
Matt, Ken, and Kenny continue their series on the Marian dogmas, discussing what they used to believe about Mary as Protestants, and how they came to embrace the Catholic teaching about her. In their last two episodes, they began to...
08.24.2022
On the Journey with Matt and Ken and Kenny, Episode 103: Mary, Ark of the New Covenant
Matt, Ken, and Kenny continue their series on the Marian dogmas, discussing what they used to believe about Mary as Protestants, and how they came to embrace the Catholic teaching about her. In their last episode, they began to discuss...
08.17.2022
On the Journey with Matt and Ken and Kenny, Episode 102: Mary, the New Eve
Matt Swaim, Ken Hensley, and Kenny Burchard continue their multi-part series discussing what they used to believe about Mary as Protestants, and how they came to believe Catholic teaching about her. Kenny, Ken, and Matt discuss the third Marian dogma, the...
08.10.2022
On the Journey with Matt and Ken and Kenny, Episode 101: The Perpetual Virginity of Mary
Matt Swaim, Ken Hensley, and Kenny Burchard continue to share what they used to believe about Mary as Protestants, and how they eventually came to believe Catholic teaching about her. In this week's discussion about Mary's perpetual virginity, Matt and...
08.03.2022
On the Journey with Matt and Ken and Kenny, Episode 100: Mary the Mother of Who?
Matt Swaim, Ken Hensley, and Kenny Burchard continue to share what they used to believe about Mary as Protestants, and how they eventually came to believe Catholic teaching about her. The first Marian dogma they tackle is the question of...
07.27.2022
On the Journey with Matt and Ken and Kenny, Episode 99: Mary and the Protestant Pulpit
Matt Swaim and former Baptist pastor Ken Hensley are joined by CHNetwork's Kenny Burchard, a former Foursquare Church pastor, to begin a series discussing what led each of them to embrace Catholic teaching on Mary. Ken and Kenny share how they...

What's On the Journey about?

Download our free app to listen on your phone

On the Journey episodes:

On the Journey, Episode 147: God Said, "Become Catholic!" - Kenny's Story, Part VII

On the Journey, Episode 146: Leaving the Ministry - Kenny's Story, Part VI

On the Journey, Episode 145: All That Scandal - Kenny's Story, Part V

On the Journey, Episode 144: Which Christianity? – Kenny’s Story, Part IV

On the Journey, Episode 143: What Kind of Christian Am I? – Kenny’s Story, Part III

On the Journey, Episode 142: Ignorance on Fire – Kenny’s Story, Part II

On the Journey, Episode 141: "I Must Be Born Again!" - Kenny's Story, Part I

On the Journey, Episode 140: The Church is Apostolic

On the Journey, Episode 139: What is the Church? Part XII

On the Journey, Episode 138: What is the Church? Part XI

On the Journey, Episode 137: What is the Church? Part X

On the Journey, Episode 136: What is the Church? Part IX

On the Journey, Episode 135: What is the Church? Part VIII

On the Journey, Episode 134 - What is the Church? Part VII

On the Journey, Episode 133: What is the Church? Part VI

On the Journey, Episode 132 – What is the Church? Part V

On the Journey, Episode 131 – What is the Church? Part IV

On the Journey, Episode 130 – What is the Church? Part III

On the Journey, Episode 129 – What is the Church? Part II

On the Journey, Episode 128 - What is the Church? Part I

On the Journey with Matt, Ken and Kenny - Summer Update

On the Journey, Episode 127: How to Become Holy, Part VIII

On the Journey, Episode 126: How to Become Holy, Part VII

On the Journey, Episode 125: How to Become Holy, Part VI

On the Journey, Episode 124: How to Become Holy, Part V

On the Journey, Episode 123: How to Become Holy, Part IV

On the Journey, Episode 122: How to Become Holy, Part III

On the Journey, Episode 121: How to Become Holy, Part II

On the Journey, Episode 120: How to Become Holy, Part I

On the Journey, Episode 119: Three Protestants Go to Mass, Part X

On the Journey with Matt, Ken and Kenny, Episode 118: Three Protestants Go to Mass, Part IX

On the Journey with Matt, Ken and Kenny, Episode 117: Three Protestants Go to Mass, Part VIII

On the Journey with Matt, Ken and Kenny, Episode 116: Three Protestants Go to Mass, Part VII

On the Journey with Matt, Ken and Kenny, Episode 115: Three Protestants Go to Mass, Part VI

On the Journey with Matt, Ken and Kenny, Episode 114: Non-Catholics are Coming Home (we help!)

On the Journey with Matt, Ken and Kenny, Episode 113: Three Protestants Go to Mass, Part V

On the Journey with Matt, Ken and Kenny, Episode 112: Three Protestants Go to Mass, Part IV

On the Journey with Matt, Ken and Kenny, Episode 111: Three Protestants Go to Mass, Part III

On the Journey with Matt, Ken and Kenny, Episode 110: Three Protestants Go to Mass, Part II

On the Journey with Matt, Ken and Kenny, Episode 109 - Three Protestants Go to Mass, Part I

On the Journey with Matt and Ken and Kenny, Episode 108: Are Protestants Christians?

On the Journey with Matt and Ken and Kenny, Episode 107: Frequently Asked Questions About Mary

On the Journey with Matt and Ken and Kenny, Episode 106: The Intercession of Mary and the Saints

On the Journey with Matt and Ken and Kenny, Episode 105: Mary’s Assumption and Queenship

On the Journey with Matt and Ken and Kenny, Episode 104: The Immaculate Conception of Mary

On the Journey with Matt and Ken and Kenny, Episode 103: Mary, Ark of the New Covenant

On the Journey with Matt and Ken and Kenny, Episode 102: Mary, the New Eve

On the Journey with Matt and Ken and Kenny, Episode 101: The Perpetual Virginity of Mary

On the Journey with Matt and Ken and Kenny, Episode 100: Mary the Mother of Who?

On the Journey with Matt and Ken and Kenny, Episode 99: Mary and the Protestant Pulpit