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How much of what happens in teams is shaped by forces we can’t see?
In this bonus episode, we sit down with Dr. Eliat Aram, CEO of the Tavistock Institute of Human Relations, to explore the hidden dynamics that influence leadership, teamwork, and organisational performance. Dr. Aram unpacks the role of the unconscious in shaping team interactions, introduce the BART model (Boundary, Authority, Role, Task) as a framework for understanding team dynamics, and shed light on what might be happening beneath the surface in group settings.

For over 75 years, the Tavistock Institute has been at the forefront of research and practice in systems thinking, group dynamics, and organisational development. In this conversation, Dr. Aram helps leaders and teams build self-awareness, decode organisational challenges, and apply practical strategies to navigate complexity more effectively.

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In this week’s OrgDev podcast, we explore what Organisation Development can learn from Learning & Development with David Hayden. 

From Formula 1 pit stops to the importance of storytelling, David shares how L&D insights can drive organisational success. We discuss the role of mental models, the power of learning cultures, and how OD practitioners can apply evidence-based approaches to learning and change. If you're looking for fresh ways to connect L&D and OD for greater impact, this is a great episode to watch.

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What is job architecture? How can it support transformation? How do you help a company grow fast without losing what makes it special? What’s the secret to navigating big changes like merging teams or restructuring? 

💼 Jules Siegel- Hawley, Founder & Principal Consultant
Andes

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Jules Siegel-Hawley is the Founder of Andes, a consultancy specialising in scalable, agile people infrastructure for high-growth startups and enterprises undergoing transformation. With deep expertise in organisation design, people strategy, and change leadership, she helps companies navigate complex transitions and rapid scaling while maintaining operational efficiency and a strong company culture.

At Andes, Jules partners with companies at critical inflection points—whether they are scaling rapidly, integrating post-acquisition, or restructuring teams. Taking an embedded approach, she and her team go beyond advising, offering fractional leadership and hands-on support to ensure people operations align with business strategy.

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What is psychological safety? It’s a term we hear often in organizations, but what does it really take to create it? Beyond the buzzwords and platitudes, psychological safety demands a deep, intentional commitment from leaders, HR, and OD practitioners alike. It’s not a tick-box exercise—it’s about designing environments where every individual feels safe and confident to bring their Authentic Self to work, every day.

We're joined by the brilliant Gina Battye.  Gina is the Founder and CEO of the Psychological Safety Institute and a global leader in workplace psychological safety. Known for her pioneering work in inclusion, belonging, and culture, Gina has revolutionised how organisations cultivate psychologically safe environments with her innovative methodologies, including the 5 Pillars of Psychological Safety and the Hierarchy of Psychological Safety.

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How do we make our organisations sustainable? What is the role of HR, OD or Learning and Development in achieving this.  Our esteemed guest Dr Tara believes the  'people' people  of the business - HR, OD, Talent, L&D - have a critical role to play in saving the planet.

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Dr Tara Shine is a globally recognised sustainability expert, public speaker, and author, with a career spanning over two decades in climate change negotiation and environmental policy. She is the CEO and co-founder of Change by Degrees, a sustainability skills platform designed to empower individuals and organisations to make sustainability their superpower

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What makes a workplace truly fair?
How does our own sense of fairness shape our reactions to decisions, interactions, and how we treat others at work?
Fairness isn’t just a feel-good concept—it’s a critical factor in building trust, maintaining engagement, and driving performance. But getting fairness wrong can be costly. When employees perceive unfairness—whether in how decisions are made, how people are treated, or how rewards are distributed—it erodes trust, undermines morale, and fuels disengagement.
So, how can managers, HR and organizations apply fairness in their work to create a culture where everyone thrives?

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Dr. Wilson Wong
Strategist, Futurist, Data Scientist, Wong On Work

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Dr. Wilson Wong is a data scientist, futurist, and strategist with over 30 years of experience in applied research, focusing on leadership, culture, futures strategy, and human capital management within organisations. His work spans policy, investment, and academia, supported by expertise in data analytics and insights. He has worked with diverse clients, including the Metropolitan Police, Standard Chartered Bank, the Department for Work and Pensions (DWP), and international bodies such as the UNDP and UNEP, applying futures methodologies to enhance organisational resilience.

A Visiting Professor at Nottingham Business School and Adjunct Professor at Hong Kong Baptist University, Dr. Wong also chairs the International Journal of HRD Practice, Policy & Research. Formerly Head of Insight & Futures at the Chartered Institute of Personnel and Development (CIPD), he has influenced thought leadership at the European Association of People Management (EAPM) and the World Federation of People Management Associations (WFPMA). A UK human capital metrics expert to ISO and member of the UN Millennium Project global futures experts network, he co-edited Human Capital Management Standards: A Complete Guide and remains passionate about driving strategic, evidence-based change in organisations.

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In this OrgDev episode, we explore the transformative power of polarity intelligence with Michelle Troseth and Dr. Tracy Christopherson, co-founders of MissingLogic, LLC, and pioneers in applying polarity thinking to healthcare and beyond.

How can we balance the needs of employees with the demands of the organisation? How do we navigate the tension between short-term wins and long-term sustainability? And how do we embrace innovative approaches for the future while respecting traditional, tried-and-tested methods?

In a world that often defaults to either/or thinking, we risk missing the opportunities hidden within the interplay of opposites. What if, instead of viewing these opposing forces as conflicts to resolve, we saw them as dynamic tensions to leverage? Polarity thinking offers a fresh perspective—one that helps us move beyond quick fixes and binary solutions to unlock untapped potential and achieve sustainable, productive outcomes.

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Michelle Troseth & Dr. Tracy Christopherson

Missing Logic
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How can organisation design support an organisation with a big growth agenda? How can you leverage technology speed up design and make your organisation  more efficient? How can you use AI to create greater job automation and what are the pitfalls to watch out for? These are just some of the questions we ask Adonis Kazouris, Group Senior Organisational Design Manager, at SSP Group PLC in our latest podcast.

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Antonis Kazouris
Group Senior Organisational Design Manager, SSP Group PLC

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Antonis Kazouris is a seasoned professional with extensive expertise in Organisational Design and Workforce Analytics. As Group Senior Organisational Design Manager at SSP, he has led global, large-scale transformation initiatives, including the development of global frameworks, the optimization of operating models, and the design of career progression strategies.

Prior to his role at SSP, Antonis gained significant experience in the consulting industry with Deloitte and WTW, specializing in Organisational Design, Employee Experience, and DEI strategy. He has delivered impactful insights and strategies to C-suite stakeholders across diverse industries, blending advanced analytics and technology with a deep understanding of organisational needs to enhance agility, efficiency, and employee engagement.

In addition to his professional work, Antonis is pursuing a Professional Doctorate in Evidence-Based Human Resource Management at Birkbeck University. His research focuses on the role of evidence-based decision-making in organisational design and its impact on effectiveness and employee performance. As an external researcher collaborating with King’s College London, he has contributed to advancing their DEI strategy and policies over the past three years.

Antonis holds a Master’s in Human Resources from the London School of Economics (LSE), underscoring his commitment to integrating academic research and practical application to drive meaningful change in organisations.

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What does it take to build Organisation Development (OD) capability at the heart of Central Government? In this episode, we’re joined by Dr. Susanne Søndergaard Gidda, the Civil Service Operating Lead in the Cabinet Office, to explore this fascinating question.

With a wealth of experience spanning multiple UK government departments, Susanne brings a unique perspective to the complexities of OD in high-stakes environments.

We delve into what it means to embed OD practices within large, complex organisations, how to nurture OD capability, and the lessons Susanne has learned from her time leading OD initiatives in Central Government. Whether you’re an experienced OD practitioner or just starting your journey, this episode is packed with practical insights and inspiration to elevate OD capability in your own organisation.

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Dr. Susanne Søndergaard-Gidda

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Dr. Susanne Søndergaard Gidda is a leader in Civil Service Organisation Development and Design capability in her role at the Cabinet Office. With a master’s degree in occupational psychology, a PhD in organisational psychology, and recognition as a Chartered Fellow of CIPD, Susanne brings a wealth of expertise to her work.

Her career spans several UK government departments, where she has honed her skills in organisational development. Susanne has also worked as a knowledge management specialist at Rolls-Royce, leading on communities of practice, and as a senior policy analyst with RAND Europe, further enriching her experience in fostering effective organisational strategies and practices.

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Where is the real value created in your organisation? Is it a specific team, a critical process, or perhaps a unique capability that sets you apart? And just as importantly, how does the organisation make money, generate surplus, or deliver value to its clients—whoever they may be? Understanding these drivers is the key to focusing your efforts where they’ll have the greatest impact.  This is the holy grail for HR and OD. To help us unpack this and explore how to identify and leverage these value points, we’re joined by Mark Doughty.

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Mark Doughty

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Mark Doughty is a seasoned Director of Learning & Organisation Development, celebrated for blending seminal research with critical business insights to drive impactful organisational transformation. With a career spanning diverse industries and top-tier, multicultural global companies, Mark is commercially sharp, operationally astute, and adept at curating "best in class" innovative, award-winning solutions.

Renowned for spearheading programs in High-Performing Teams, Strategic Account Management, and Executive Development, Mark has consistently delivered initiatives that future-proof key strategic capabilities while achieving significant business improvements, including multimillion-pound outcomes.

Academically distinguished with an M.Ed. and M.A., and a proud member of the Worshipful Company of Management Consultants, Mark brings a deep understanding of leadership, strategy, and organisational culture to the table.

Mark is on a mission to redefine leadership excellence in a rapidly evolving world. Despite leadership development being a $30 billion industry—predicted to more than double by 2032—the lack of tangible leadership impact is stark. Outdated models and misaligned approaches have left many businesses struggling to connect with their people, resulting in widespread disengagement, stress, and lost value.

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