Out Loud with Ahmed Eldin

“The moment they’re going to stop being complicit in genocide is when we make it too expensive for them to continue being complicit.”

— Ibtihal Aboussad, Out Loud podcast

In this unmissable episode of Out Loud with Ahmed Eldin, Ibtihal unpacks her journey from coding “for good” in Morocco’s tech‑for‑development initiatives to confronting the harsh reality at the heart of Big Tech’s profit machine. She speaks candidly about:

• Colonial legacies and code: How growing up in Morocco instilled in her a history of resistance, and why she believed technology could serve the oppressed, until it didn’t.

• The whistleblower’s awakening: The day she realized that speech‑to‑text and cloud services she developed were fueling military operations.

• “Shame on you” at the AI summit: What drove her to interrupt Microsoft’s top brass in front of Bill Gates and Satya Nadella, and why that explosive moment rippled from Seattle to student protests in London and Casablanca.

• A blueprint for tech workers: Why every line of code you write in Big Tech is a choice—and how you can join the fight to make complicity untenable.

  
  

Ibtihal’s story is more than a tech‑industry exposé; it’s a call to arms. She shows us that real power lies not just in boardrooms, but in the collective pressure of people refusing to stay silent. Whether you’re a coder, an investor, or someone who clicks “Accept Cookies” without a second thought, this conversation will stir something in you—and it might just change how you see your own role in global injustice.

Timestamps

00:00 - Highlights
00:59 - Introduction
01:53 - Where did you grow up?
03:10 - Have you had any similar experience like standing clear of the right things?

05:08 - What Drew you to AI?
08:36 - How has that reality of your life shaped your lens when it comes to power, identity, and belonging?
10:25 - Do you have a sense of belonging?
13:09 - Do you have an emotional encounter with Palestine?
15:16 - Microsoft's role in enabling the Israeli military.
19:13 - Do you consider yourself a whistle-blower?
20:22 - What gave you courage the event with the AI CEO?
23:37 - Is there something people would be surprised to know about the reactions?
26:59 - When the students chanted Ibtihaj, you make us proud what did you feel?
33:48 - What would you say to colleagues who feel uncomfortable, but are still there?
36:29 - Are you encouraged by the growth of this movement?
38:03 - Quick Questions

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🎙️ “You can ignore it, you can complain about it — or you can do something about it. And I feel better doing something about it.” — Ben Cohen

In this episode of Out Loud, host Ahmed Eldin sits down with Ben Cohen, co-founder of Ben & Jerry’s, for a fearless, heart-centered conversation about war, justice, capitalism, and conscience.

Ben has never been shy about mixing business with bold values. Now, he’s become one of the most unapologetically vocal Jewish-American critics of U.S. policy in Gaza — and he’s not backing down.

We dive deep into:

• Why he disrupted a Senate hearing over U.S. military aid to Israel

• How his Jewish upbringing shaped his activism

• What links Gaza and Flint, Michigan

• Why being bullied as a kid gave him a lifelong sense of justice

• The difference between caring and acting

• And what it really takes to bend the arc toward justice

  
  

“They’ve sold their soul to the money. And I don’t think that’s what the people really want.”

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There are two versions of Motaz Azaiza. There is the one etched into the consciousness of millions, lens slung over his shoulder, eyes bloodshot, not just from sleepless nights, but from witnessing what no one should ever have to.

The man who didn't just document Israel's genocide in Gaza, he became a portal, a lifeline, a resistance not of weapons, but of truth.

But then there is the other Motaz.

The one I met at the Web Summit in Doha away from the rubble and sirens. The man, not the symbol. Still fierce, still unfiltered, but softer too, honest in a way that hurts. Human, in a way the internet often forgets to allow.

We sat down, not to perform grief, but to process it. To talk, not for the algorithm, but for ourselves, about what it means to carry trauma while the world scrolls past. About how visibility is both a lifeline and a wound.

This isn't an interview, it's a heart to heart, between two Palestinians, shaped by different histories, speaking from different wounds, but bound by the same longing for justice, for connection, for a future we have never been allowed to imagine.

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