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Good leadership, especially on a backcountry expedition, is often overlooked and understated. But having strong leadership can be the difference between failure and success on your next outdoor adventure. My guest this week is leadership expert Gary Thompson. Gary has been teaching leadership principles for NOLS and the University of Idaho for the past 20 years. He helped develop the McCall Outdoor Science School (MOSS), has instructed leadership expeditions in the Yukon and Patagonia, is a river and ski guide, and owns his own leadership consulting firm Redfish | Bluefish. Gary and I discuss what it takes to be a good leader and how active followership can make or break your next expedition.