P-Car Talk Podcast

Thank You to Our People Before we get into it, we want to thank everyone who came out and supported us. Whether you rolled up to an event, listened in the car, or sent us a message, it means a lot, and it's the reason we keep doing this.

Luftgekühlt Luft never disappoints. We go around the table on our favorite cars from the show, and there's no shortage of contenders. The 935 is always going to pull a crowd, and the 964 Turbo makes a strong case for itself every time you see one in person. We get into what stood out, what surprised us, and what we'd take home if the keys were on the table.

Fahren Fahren is in the books, and we share our favorite moments from the drive. Every year has its own highlight, whether it's a stretch of road, a moment at a stop, or just the people. A big thank you to everyone who came out and made it what it was.

Mission S Porsche finally pulled the cover off the Mission S, and we have thoughts. It's a mid-engine halo car sitting above the 911, it's not going to be limited, and the rumors point to a flat-eight. Porsche hasn't announced pricing, but our guess is it lands somewhere in the 600 to 700k range. A manual is still TBD, though the concept's paddles and auto shifter don't exactly give us hope. We break down the looks and whether this thing is going to be great or miss the mark.

992.1 GT3 Production Numbers Here's a number that stopped us in our tracks: by our count, over 15,000 992.1 GT3s were built. That's a lot of cars. To be fair, every GT car is built to be driven, but on pure numbers these just can't be collector cars. If you paid over sticker and you're holding one waiting for it to climb, we get it, but there are simply too many of them for values to hold. We debate who's holding, why, and whether the 991.1 is the real cutoff for GT3s that enthusiasts will chase down the road.

996 Prices Keep Climbing The 996 isn't the bargain it used to be. Manual Turbos with miles are listed between 90 and 120k, and C4Ss are sitting in the 60s and 70s. Not long ago, and we mean three or four years, not ten, that was the money for a really well-specced Turbo. So what's driving it? People buying before it climbs further, buyers shopping 100k-plus 911s seeing a bargain, or pricing up top pushing everyone down the ladder? We think it's a mix, and we get into all of it.

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Kimchi Crew: Steve, Leslie, Chris, Ken, Aaron, Matthew, Sean, and Nik.

Thank You to Our People

Before anything else, a big thank you to everyone who listens, shares, and supports the show. Our Patreon members, the folks who show up at events and say hi, and everyone who sends us topics and hot takes keep this thing going. We see you and we appreciate you.

Targa Carolina Recap

Targa Carolina was great, as it always is. Right around 100 cars showed up, which is a lot of cars, and the weather could not have been better. If you have never done it, put it on your list. Next week we roll right into Luft and Fahren, so it is a busy stretch of the year for anyone who lives for rallies. If you are coming to either one, come find us.

Flat 8 Halo Car Rumors

The rumor mill says Porsche's next halo supercar could get a flat 8. If that happens, it will be awesome. No word yet on the transmission, and our bet is PDK. But as we have said before, if Porsche really wants to step on every competitor out there, make it manual only. These cars would sell for huge numbers if they went that way. Less is more here, guys. Think about it. Where do you land? Tell us.

The Electric Cayenne

The EV Cayenne has been getting a lot of positive press, and we would not be shocked if some of that press had a little help from Porsche. The numbers are hard to ignore though. The top tier comes in around $163k with 1,139 hp, 0 to 60 in 2.4 seconds, range somewhere around 330 to 340 miles, and it charges from 10 to 80 percent in about 16 minutes. So will this thing do well? Is this the EV that finally wins over Porsche buyers, or does it run into the same wall as everything else? Why or why not?

996 40th Anniversary: Special or Not?

The 40th anniversary 996 came with a real list of extras: the X51 power kit, special exterior paint, special interior, special wheels, revised suspension, unique body panels, and a numbered plaque. We think it is special. But we want to hear from you. Is it a true collector piece, or just a nicely optioned 996?

The 944 Shooting Brake

There is a company turning the 944 into a shooting brake. It is an interesting idea because the car already has a hatch, but instead of the big glass, you get what is basically a two door wagon with a new roofline. It costs $117k, and you have to bring your own car. They do not do a full restore either. You can pay extra for interior work and bolt ons, and if you want real power, you either bring them a turbo or get the engine work done on your own. Strange? Cool? We honestly are not sure yet. What do you think?

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Kimchi Crew: Steve, Leslie, Chris, Ken, Aaron, Matthew, Sean, and Nik.

Could Porsche Build a Hypercar on the Audi Nuvolari Platform?

Have you seen this thing? It actually looks pretty good. One automotive outlet floated the idea that Porsche could build a hypercar off the Audi Nuvolari chassis, and on paper it makes sense. They're all under the VAG umbrella, so "borrowing" a platform would save Porsche a ton of money versus developing one from scratch. But here's the thing, if Porsche actually goes this route, no matter how good the final car looks, it's a letdown. Porsche is an elite brand. You build your own hypercar, you always have. The day they step away from that is the day it shows they're really hurting, and it would all but confirm they're in panic mode. We hope this one stays a rumor.

100 GT3 Bergsport, Europe Only. We're Not So Sure

The story going around is 100 units of the GT3 Bergsport, Europe only, and the American market is reportedly furious about it. We're not convinced this is the final word. We're still firm believers this thing is a tribute to the '73 RS, and we think it's going to make its way to the US looking a lot like that car. Calling it now, we hear things. Curious what you all think about the Euro only angle, though.

Manuals, Hybrids, and Reading Between the Lines

Porsche announced they'll keep building manual transmissions for as long as they're allowed to. Sounds nice, but really it's Porsche getting ahead of the story. If manuals do go away down the road, they've already set it up so it's not on them, it's regulations. The real news buried in there is that Porsche confirmed they have no plans to pair a manual gearbox with a hybrid drivetrain. So connect the dots. Any future Porsche announced with a hybrid powertrain, you can bank on no manual option coming with it.

Rally Season Is Here

Time to get the cars ready. Our own rally is right around the corner, Targa Carolina is right around the corner, and we've got Luft wedged in between the two. If you're at Luft, come find us and say hello. We'd love to talk cars with you. We always enjoy chatting with you all, so if you see us out there, please come say what's up.

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Kimchi Crew: Steve, Leslie, Chris, Ken, Aaron, Matthew, Sean, and Nik.

Porsche's One-Off Flat Nose Exercise

Porsche just rolled out a one-off flat nose build based on a 991 GT2 RS, and it's hard not to think Moby Dick when you see it. The obvious difference is this thing is a street build, where the original Moby Dick was strictly a race car, but the vibe is unmistakably the same. Porsche has been on a kick lately of digging through leftover parts bins and putting together these special exercises just to show what they can do. It's a cool flex, but it also raises the question of who these builds are actually for and whether we'll see more of them or if this is a one-and-done showcase.

Porsche Strikes Out on Singer and RUF

Word is Porsche tried to buy Singer and got turned down, then went after RUF and got the same answer. Honestly, none of us are shocked either brand said no. Both are large, established operations that have built their identity on standing completely apart from Porsche, so an acquisition would undercut the whole reason people love them. The bigger question is why Porsche is making these moves in the first place. Is this Porsche being opportunistic, or is there a little desperation behind two attempts at buying up the independents?

The 992.2 Carrera S MT Package: A Manual By Any Other Name

Porsche's new 992.2 Carrera S is offering a manual transmission again, but only as an "MT package" starting at 167K. Everyone's been begging for manuals to come back, and now that they have, it's buried inside a package instead of just being a straightforward option. Why can't Porsche just let you spec a base 911 with a manual and call it a day? We get that it's a money grab, but once you lightly option this car you're walking out the door around 185K, which is a wild number for a Carrera S. Put that next to a 991.2 GT3 that stickered at 143K back in 2019, and it's a genuinely hard pill to swallow.

CPR Classic's Ponzi Scheme Collapse

CPR Classic, a dealer just north of San Diego, was running a Ponzi scheme from 2022 through 2024, and the shop is now shut down with the owner serving a 21-month prison sentence. This one stings because of the history behind it. The original owner built a genuinely respected family business selling 911s for 40 years, then passed it down to his daughter after he passed away. Almost immediately the wheels came off. She stopped paying consignors for cars she'd sold, bounced checks, and ran a shell game where money from one sale would go to pay off a completely different consignor, over and over. Part of her sentence requires paying back over 9 million dollars. It's a brutal example of how fast four decades of trust can get wiped out.

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Kimchi Crew: Steve, Leslie, Chris, Ken, Aaron, Matthew, Sean, and Nik.

The Turbo GT3 Rumor: The End of Naturally Aspirated Porsche

Okay, this is the one everyone's going to have an opinion on. Word on the street is that the next GT3 and the 911 R will be turbocharged, and the GT2 RS is set to get hybrid assisted turbo power. If that pans out, it makes it official: Porsche will no longer build a naturally aspirated engine, full stop. That's a massive deal and there's a lot to unpack.

What does this do to every N/A car that came before it? What happens to the GT cars specifically, which have always been the naturally aspirated holdouts even after the regular 911 line went turbo? Quick refresher for anyone not paying close attention, Porsche killed the N/A engine in the standard, non-GT 911 back in the 2017 model year, when the 991.2 generation switched to the 3.0 turbo. GT cars have been the last line of defense since then.

So now the question is how the market and the fanbase receive a turbocharged GT3. Good? Bad? We've already watched this play out once, there's been a clear camp for almost ten years now chasing the last true N/A 911s, the 991.1 generation specifically, and that divide has only gotten more pronounced as time goes on. If the GT3 goes turbo too, does that camp just get bigger, or does the car end up winning people over anyway? Let's dive in.

Rally Season: Get Your Cars Ready

PSA time. Doors to rally season are closing fast, officially. If your car isn't ready, now's the time. Oil changes, tires, coolant if you're due, brakes, all of it. Give your independent shop a real runway to get your car sorted instead of showing up last minute. We're only about six weeks out from some of the first rallies of the season, so don't sleep on this.

Luft Tickets Are Live

Luft tickets went on sale, so hopefully everyone who wanted in got their tickets locked down. Not sure if it's sold out at this point, haven't checked back in, but if you're looking to display a car they're still taking applications right now. Worth getting on that if you want to be part of the show and not just in the crowd.

The Ducktail GT3: Hillclimb Homage or Something Else?

There's a GT3 running around the Nürburgring wearing a ducktail, and rumor has it this is yet another GT3 variant, this one supposedly paying homage to Porsche's 1960s hillclimb cars. Before the turbo GT3 drops, are we thinking Porsche rolls out a wave of special models to send off the N/A era? Feels likely.

Here's the disagreement though: I don't buy the hillclimb homage story. I think people are reading this wrong. My take is this is the homage to the '73 RS with the ducktail that Porsche has talked about building for years, this is finally that car. Curious what you all think, hillclimb tribute or the RS ducktail we've been waiting on?

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Kimchi Crew: Steve, Leslie, Chris, Ken, Aaron, Matthew, Sean, and Nik

Porsche Trims the Lineup, and We Called It

Porsche is streamlining, and the rumor mill says the Taycan, Cayenne Coupe, and possibly the 718 Boxster and Cayman are all on the chopping block, with the 911 lineup likely losing some variants too. Nobody is going to shed a tear over the Taycan, and the Cayenne Coupe will get a few mourners at best, but losing the 718s would sting for a lot of enthusiasts. The funniest part is that we have been saying Porsche needed to do exactly this for a while now, both recently and way back, so either they are finally listening or somebody at Weissach has really good podcast recommendations.

Goodwood Is Coming to America

Goodwood Festival of Speed just wrapped and it remains the single best car event either of us has ever been to, hands down. The big news out of this year's event is that Goodwood is officially bringing the festival to the US, though details on location and format are still under wraps. Given how protective Goodwood is of its brand and how much work they have put into building that reputation, there is no chance they phone in the US version. Our money is on a West Coast location, and the hill climb has to be part of it, because without that centerpiece it just is not Goodwood anymore.

What Else Gets You Close to a 911?

With 911 pricing where it is now, we went down the rabbit hole of what else out there gets you in the neighborhood without the Porsche premium. Nothing replicates the rear-engine layout or that specific balance, but a few cars get close in spirit. The S2000 AP1 is a blast, 2,800 pounds, high-revving, gutless on torque but rewarding on balance with true 50/50 weight distribution, though clean examples are climbing in price fast. The GT350 is the consolation prize with more muscle, 526 horsepower at 8,250 rpm out of that flat-plane V8, but it is a heavier car at 3,750 pounds with a 54/46 split, so stick to the later models since the early ones had documented engine issues. Then there is the F87 M2, 3,450 pounds, 365 horsepower with real tuning headroom since it is turbocharged, 51.9/48.1 balance, sitting in that 35-50k range. And we had to talk about the clown shoe, the BMW M Coupe, which barely counts as a real production run but has earned full cult status anyway.

Grab a drink, settle in, and we will see you next time. Full event calendar is always up at pcartalk.com, and if you want more, find us at Patreon.com/pcartalk and @pcartalk.

Kimchi Crew: Steve, Leslie, Chris, Ken, Aaron, Matthew, Sean, and Nik.

Thank Our People

Big shoutout to the crews putting in work this weekend. IMSA customer racing had JDC Miller taking 3rd overall, with GTD going to Manthey in 1st, Phorm and Wright's Motorsport rounding out 2nd. And over in Europe, the 24 Hours of Spa customer racing saw Lionspeed take the win in the GT3 R. Solid weekend across the board for the customer teams, and it's always worth pointing out how deep the talent pool is right now.

The 963 Is Coming Back

So we were wrong, and honestly we're happy about it. The 963 is confirmed for next year, which means Porsche is about to spend millions of dollars just to prove us wrong for talking trash. We'll take it. Still no Le Mans on the schedule though, which has us wondering out loud if the factory team is a little salty at the FIA and just decided to focus everything on IMSA instead. Pure speculation, but it's not a crazy theory given how things have played out.

GT4 Goes 911

The new series taking over for GT4 is running a 911 instead of a 718 Cayman, and honestly the reasoning writes itself. The obvious one: the 718 Cayman isn't in production anymore, so you can't exactly build a race series around a car that doesn't exist. The less obvious one: it's another built-in opportunity for Porsche to sell more race-spec 911s. Curious what you all think about losing the Cayman as the entry point car for this class.

Fake Paddle Shifters on the Taycan

In "who asked for this" news, the 2027 Taycan is getting fake gear shifts, simulated paddle shifting, as a $1,000 option. We're not going to pretend we have a strong take here beyond mild bewilderment. It's a sign of where EV performance cars are headed as manufacturers try to recreate some of the physical feedback people miss from ICE cars.

Leipzig Takes Over From Slovakia

Also filed under "who cares but let's talk about it anyway," Porsche is shifting production back to Leipzig from Slovakia. Got us wondering if Porsche will ever actually build cars stateside. Our gut says probably not anytime soon, given how tied their manufacturing identity is to Germany, but we'll argue both sides of that one on the show.

Get On the Fahren Waiting List

If you haven't put your name down for Fahren yet, now's the time. Rally season creeps up fast and car prep should already be in progress if it isn't. Some of the summer rallies have already come and gone, but the big fall events are right around the corner. Our lineup is a mix of air-cooled and water-cooled cars, so there's room for both camps. Don't sleep on this one, you'll miss your shot to drive with a group of genuinely like-minded people.

That's the show for this week. Head to pcartalk.com for event info, and if you want to support what we're doing, hit up Patreon.com/pcartalk. Find us at @pcartalk.

Kimchi Crew: Steve, Leslie, Chris, Ken, Aaron, Matthew, Sean, and Nik.

Thank You to Our CrewThank You to Our Crew Before we get into it this week, a big thank you to everyone who keeps this show going — the listeners, the community, and everyone flying the P-car flag out there. You know who you are. We appreciate you.

Another Rough Weekend for Porsche Motorsport There is no sugarcoating it — another race weekend, another result that hurts to watch. One car out with steering rack issues, the other limping home in 12th. For a factory program with the pedigree Porsche carries, this is not where anyone expected to be at this point in the season. The year opened with real promise, and now we are sitting here trying to figure out what went sideways. The thing that makes it sting more is context: this is the last year of the current factory effort, which means every result carries extra weight. Is this a program that ran out of steam at the end? Is the talent still there but the development cycle just dried up knowing the curtain is coming down? The crew has thoughts, and none of them are particularly optimistic. We are not here to pile on, but we are also not going to pretend a 12th and a DNF is anything other than what it is.

Porsche x Toy Story — Buzz Lightyear and the Clone Army Porsche teamed up with Toy Story for a charity livery and honestly, as a one-off it is kind of hard to hate. It is silly, it is colorful, it is for a good cause — fine. But here is where the fun starts. How long before the clout-chasing segment of the community starts dropping their own Buzz Lightyear wraps? Because you know it is coming. We are officially starting the counter. Every time one of these shows up on Instagram over the next few months, we want to know about it. Send them to us at @pcartalk, we will keep a running tally, and we will report back. Play along at home. The over/under on copycat liveries by end of year — place your bets now. To infinity and beyond, apparently.

The Big One: When Your 996 or 997 Engine Goes Boom — What Do You Actually Do? IMS failure. Bore scoring. If you own a 996 or 997, these are not hypotheticals — they are scenarios you have thought about, probably more than once. So let us say it actually happens. The engine is cooked, damage is too severe to rebuild sensibly, and you are staring at a bill. A proper factory-spec engine replacement is going to run you somewhere around $50,000 depending on who does the work and what parts are needed. That is a real number, and for a lot of people owning these cars, it reframes the entire ownership conversation. So what do you actually do? You have options, and none of them are comfortable. You pay the freight, source a replacement engine, and keep the car correct — which is the defensible move if you have a clean example and plan to keep it. You find a used engine and gamble on its history. Or you go a completely different direction. And this is where the conversation gets interesting, because people have gone different directions. LS swaps in 911s exist. K-swapped 996s with a turbo bolted on — we have seen it with our own eyes. It runs. It is fast. It is also deeply confusing to look at under the hood of a 911. The question is not just mechanical, it is philosophical. A 911 is defined by the engine in the back. That flat-six, that specific architecture, is what makes the car what it is. When you pull it and replace it with something that was never meant to be there, are you still driving a 911 or are you driving something else that happens to have a 911 body? There is no wrong answer here, especially when the alternative is a $50K repair on a car that might be worth $40K. But the crew has opinions, and this one goes long. Where would you go, and why?

Outro That is a wrap on this one. Thanks for riding along. Find us at pcartalk.com for events and everything P-car, support the show at Patreon.com/pcartalk, and hit us on Instagram at @pcartalk.

Kimchi Crew: Steve, Leslie, Chris, Ken, Aaron, Sean, and Nik.

Thank You to the Kimchi Crew

Before we get into it, a genuine thank you to everyone who listens, supports the show, and keeps this community alive. You know who you are. We do this because we love it, and you make it worth doing. Now let's get into it.

Detroit IMSA: BOP'd Into Irrelevance

The Porsche GT3R at Detroit was so heavily Balance of Performance'd that it was barely a factor, and the prototype entries qualified so far back in such a short enduro format that catching up was a near-impossible ask before the green flag even dropped. But let's be honest with ourselves here: IMSA was on GM's side from the jump. The race is in Detroit, GM's backyard, and anyone paying attention could feel the gravitational pull toward keeping the home team looking good. This isn't new. The frustration with series organizers placating to manufacturers based on geography or politics is real, and it's a recurring stain on what should be a pure competition. When the racing result feels predetermined by the city it's held in, that's a problem worth calling out.

The 911 Market Is Not Coming Back Down

We touched the surface of this last episode when we talked about Mezger-engine GT3s drying up and the 993 price surge, but it's time to go deeper because the numbers are getting genuinely hard to rationalize. 997 Carrera S's: a green manual with 35k miles is asking $108k. Midnight blue, 55k miles, manual, asking $90k. For a Carrera S. Let that sit. 996 Turbos, which we've covered before, are now seeing 95k-mile manual cars asking $90k. The market logic here is that against the backdrop of new Porsche prices, these feel like deals to people entering the hobby. And look, we get it, but that doesn't make the numbers any less wild.

The broader picture is this: if you are chasing a manual 911 of any generation, any configuration, the era of stumbling into a good deal is over. Base 991.1s with 50 to 80k miles are moving at $65k to $80k. Base Carrera, not an S, not a GTS. And before anyone says you can still find a reasonable 996 base 911 for $35k to $40k with 90k miles -- we'd push back hard on that. That is not a bargain. That is a lot of money for a car that will demand attention and investment. The "affordable 911" narrative needs to be retired.

Here's the thing we want to be transparent about: there is zero financial incentive for us to tell you to go buy a car. We don't get a cut. But if you want a manual 911 and you're sitting on the fence, today is genuinely the better bet than tomorrow, because every data point we're seeing says the floor keeps rising regardless of generation. This is not a bubble in the traditional sense. These are driver's cars with a finite supply of desirable manual configurations in a world that stopped producing them. Why do you think this keeps going up? We'd love to hear from the community on that.

What makes this genuinely upsetting, not just analytically frustrating, is that the price appreciation is pricing out exactly the people who should be owning these cars. The passionate ones. The ones who would drive them, maintain them right, and actually care. Instead they end up with people for whom it's a flex or a garage sculpture. That's a gut punch for anyone who's been in this community long enough to remember when that wasn't the case.

JC9 Carrera GT: A Solution Looking for a Problem

The JC9 is essentially a reimagined Carrera GT body with visual cues borrowed from the 917. On paper that sounds compelling, but sitting with it longer brings up some real questions. The Carrera GT doesn't need to be fixed. It is one of the most celebrated analog driver's cars ever made. Slapping a new body on the concept and marketing it to ultra-wealthy buyers who want something exclusive feels like the automotive equivalent of a solution looking for a problem. KISS. Keep it simple. The military drilled that into some of us for good reason, and it applies here. The original formula was right. The more the car world chases bespoke reinventions of icons for nine-figure clientele, the further it drifts from what made those icons matter in the first place. Thoughts on this one? We have mixed feelings and we're not hiding it.

Indecent 911 Hatchback Wagon: Cool Idea or Vaporware?

The renders coming out of Indecent for a custom 911 hatchback/wagon are genuinely striking. They look cool. Full stop. But the question that always follows something like this is whether this is another "put your money where your mouth is" moment, where the concept gets traction on the internet and then quietly disappears when build deposits don't materialize. The 911 community has seen this cycle before. People love the idea of something unconventional until they have to actually commit to it. Is there a real market for a coachbuilt 911 wagon? Maybe. Is the execution going to live up to renders that were made to generate buzz? That's always the harder question. What do you think -- cool and you'd want one, or a stunt?

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Ruckus Debrief

Ruckus is in the rearview and the roads delivered. Cold weather, beautiful scenery, and rock chips that serve as a reminder you actually drove the thing. This is what it's for. No complaints from anyone in the crew — the kind of event you start planning to return to before you've even unpacked.

The Headlines: Porsche Jobs, Nurburgring, and Luft Atlanta

Porsche is cutting 500 jobs tied to ongoing revenue pressure and nobody here is happy about it. We never like to see people lose their jobs — full stop. On the racing side, the 24 Hours of the Nurburgring is right around the corner, which means a lot of sleepless nights ahead for the right reasons. And for the enthusiast crowd, Luft is headed to Atlanta this October. Last year it was North Carolina, so the southeast is getting some real love on the calendar right now.

Vanthoor to McLaren — And What Porsche Isn't Saying

Laurens Vanthoor is joining McLaren's hypercar program on loan from Porsche for 2027. No official announcement about what this means for Porsche's factory team presence, but the crew has seen this movie before. When Porsche starts farming out factory drivers and running every livery they can on the factory car, it's usually a preview of an exit — the same pattern played out before they stepped back from the RSR program. Nothing confirmed, but the read here is that Porsche is pulling back from that factory hypercar effort whether they've said so or not.

997 GT3s Are Gone — And the Price Is Whatever the Seller Wants

The 997 GT3 market has reached a point that only a handful of models ever hit: the cars aren't listed because the owners aren't selling. When they do transact, it's a phone call, not a listing. Word of mouth, private deals, specialty dealers with one car every few months. A 997.1 GT3 with a minor Carfax note and 60,000 miles is moving at $175,000, and the crew doesn't think that's anywhere near the ceiling. The reason this happens isn't complicated — as more people enter the Porsche world and chase a real driving experience, demand for the cars that actually deliver it concentrates. Supply doesn't move. Price does. The only honest answer a seller can give a buyer right now is: find me another one.

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Kimchi Crew: Steve, Leslie, Chris, Ken, Aaron, Matthew, Sean, and Nik.