In the midst of conflict in Israel and Palestine, award-winning journalist Rula Jebreal and Lisa Goldman, cofounder of +972 magazine, are in conversation with New Lines Magazine's Faisal Al Yafai about politics, ideology and war. In this podcast, Jebreal discusses her essay for the magazine on the similarities between Israel’s right-wing political parties and the Republican Party under Donald Trump; Goldman recalls her experiences reporting on previous conflict in Gaza; and the three have a conversation about why a change in political ideology in Israel means this conflict will be different from those in the past.