In their second radio broadcast for the Paratopian Papacy, The Jeff and The Jer speak to Dr. Dennis McKenna about DMT, psilocybin mushrooms, ayahuasca, shamanism, and alien abductions. What are the differences? What are the connections?--Hear what he has to say as he takes us on a journey with his brother, Terrence, through the jungles of the Amazon and into the shamanic experience. [originally aired: 02/06/09]