Ben Higgins joins the show to talk about Part 1 of the season finale of ‘Bachelor in Paradise’ including Dean and Caelynn’s relationship, Demi and Kristian, the show’s self-awareness, dating in big cities (1:20), Blake’s time on the show, who should be the next Bachelor, and Ben’s Bachelor-filled fantasy football league (18:40)

Host: Juliet Litman

Guest: Ben Higgins

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