Passle CMO Series Podcast

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  • Episode 165 - Louise Henkel of Hill Ward Henderson on Building a BD-Minded Firm for the Future

    In today’s episode of the CMO Series Podcast, we explore how essential business development is for law firms to build lasting client relationships and how to build a BD-minded firm.

    Charles Cousins sits down with Louise Henkel, Director of Business Development and Marketing at Hill Ward Henderson, to discuss the success of their BD training program which Louise has led for the last six years. We’ll explore the impact the BD training program has had both internally and externally, in addition to how Louise has navigated through the challenges she has encountered and the future of BD at Hill Ward Henderson.

    Louise and Charles cover:

    • Louise’s background prior to working at Hill Ward Henderson and how that shaped her business development approach
    • What the BD training program entails and how it has evolved in the last six years
    • The importance of proactive business development in legal marketing and how attorneys have come to trust and embrace BD coaching
    • The impact the BD training program has had at Hill Ward Henderson, internally and externally, and the success stories of the training program
    • The challenges during the early stage of the BD training program and how those were overcome
    • The future of BD at Hill Ward Henderson and the initiatives for 2025
    • Advice for other BD and marketing leaders looking to implement a successful BD training program
    • 21 min
    • CMO Series Rainmakers: EP1 - Jeffrey Greenbaum on Mastering Thought Leadership for Growth

      Welcome to the first episode of CMO Series Rainmakers, where we explore how the legal industry’s most influential leaders have leveraged thought leadership to build their brands, drive business growth, and strengthen client relationships.

      In each episode, our esteemed guests reveal how they create and harness their unique insights to shape their firms’ success, influence the market, and, ultimately, drive revenue.

      In this debut episode, Connor Kinnear sits down with Jeffrey Greenbaum, Managing Partner of Frankfurt Kurnit Klein & Selz, for an insightful conversation recorded live in New York. Jeff shares how his strategic approach to thought leadership helped FKKS’s blog achieve over 720,000 views.

      Jeff dives into his strategies for maintaining a consistent and impactful thought leadership presence, how he’s integrated business development into his daily routine, and the successes he’s seen from a well-executed thought leadership strategy.

      49 min
    • Episode 164 - Sarah Mitchell on Selling Knowledge: What’s ahead for legal marketing in 2025 and beyond

      In this episode of the CMO Series Podcast, we focus on the evolution of the legal and marketing landscapes and how to successfully use brand identity to drive business development to help firms effectively showcase their lawyers' expertise.

      Charles Cousins sits down with Sarah Mitchell, former National Director of Marketing, Communications, and Digital Strategy at a leading Canadian law firm. Sarah shares key insights for how CMOs should prepare for the coming year, and the next 10 years and reviews the last decade in legal marketing.

      Sarah and Charles cover:

      • The marketing strategies and projects Sarah has delivered over the last 10 years
      • The biggest changes in the industry over the last decade, and the ways law firms can be prepared to adapt for the next 10 years
      • The evolution of technology and AI and the ways firms can leverage the tools available to differentiate themselves in the market
      • The various strategies that will be pertinent moving forward
      • The biggest barriers to success for legal marketing for the next 10 years
      • Advice for marketing leaders looking to stay ahead of the curve in 2025 and beyond
      • 20 min
      • Episode 163 - William McLaughlin of McNees Wallace & Nurick on Driving BD Success Step-by-Step in Any Market

        In today’s episode of the CMO Series Podcast, we explored the different ways to drive BD success in any market through building meaningful client relationships, and the range of tools and tactics that can be adapted based on the region and market.

        Charles Cousins sits down with William McLaughlin, the Director of Marketing at McNees Wallace & Nurick, to discuss his experiences of BD and marketing in Southeast Asia, and how they compare to his work in the US. William shares his key strategies for driving BD success and ways to nurture client relationships across diverse markets.

        William and Charles cover:

        • William’s experience in Southeast Asia and how it shaped his BD and marketing approaches at McNees
        • The differences and similarities between marketing and BD in Southeast Asia and the US 
        • How William uses his key marketing and BD strategies from Thailand and adapts them for the US market at McNees
        • The process of building meaningful connections and tools that help win business 
        • The most effective ways to link internal systems for measurable ROI
        • Advice for others looking to drive their BD success
        • 19 min
        • Episode 162 - Jaclyn Braga and Jenny Hills on Tapping into your Martech Stack to Compete and Win

          In today's fast-moving digital world, having a well-organized MarTech stack helps marketers streamline their work, use data to create personalized campaigns, and achieve efficient, measurable results across various channels.

          In this episode of the CMO Series, Yasmin Zand talks with Jaclyn Braga, Director of Marketing and Business Development at Morse, and Jenny Hills, Marketing Operations Manager at Axinn, about the importance of MarTech for law firms. They discuss key tools and the challenges and opportunities that adopting these technologies opens up.

          Jaclyn, Jenny and Yasmin Cover:

          • Martech stacks and the tools their teams find most useful
          • The roadblocks faced in adopting new tech, and how to overcome them
          • How has Martech evolved in the legal industry, and which tools had the biggest impact in smaller mid-size firms
          • AI’s role in Martech stack, and its influence on team strategy
          • How to advocate for Martech upgrades and get buy-in from leadership
          • How to measure success when it comes to Martech strategy
          • Advice for others looking to optimize their efforts using Martech
          • 25 min
          • Episode 161 - Brendan Delaney of BAL on Bringing Outside Experience into the Role of CMO

            In this episode of the CMO Series Podcast, we explore the unique challenges and opportunities that arise when bringing outside experience into the role of Chief Marketing Officer - particularly within the legal industry.

            Alistair Bone sits down with Brendan Delaney, Chief Brand Experience Officer at BAL, to discuss how his background in brand experience and marketing has shaped his approach to legal marketing. Brendan shares the insights he’s gained from transitioning into the CMO role within a law firm, the challenges he’s encountered along the way, and the innovative strategies he’s used to drive success. 

            Brendan and Ali cover: 

            • Brendan’s background and his journey to the Chief Brand Experience Officer role at BAL
            • How Brendan has leveraged his experience from other industries to innovate within the legal sector
            • Examples of fresh ideas Brendan has introduced at BAL and the value they’ve brought to the firm
            • The key differences between legal marketing and marketing in other industries
            • What law firms should consider when bringing someone from outside the legal industry onto their leadership team
            • The benefits of hiring someone with experience outside the legal sector
            • Advice for professionals transitioning into senior marketing roles from outside the legal industry
            • 40 min
            • Episode 9 - CMO Series Digital Masterclass: Scott Rubenstein of RubyLaw on The Power of Content in Legal Marketing

              In an industry where clients value the expertise of your professionals, content is a powerful tool to engage, nurture, and convert clients and prospects.

              In this episode of the CMO Series Digital Masterclass, Sam Page sits down with Scott Rubenstein, Chief Client Officer of RubyLaw, to explore the critical role of content in law firm marketing, how it drives success, and where firms can enhance their strategies for better results.

              Scott and Sam discuss:

              • Why content is so important in legal marketing
              • What the RubyLaw platform is and how it supports law firms
              • The role content plays in the online presence of today's law firms
              • Key statistics and usage data that demonstrate the importance of content
              • The biggest challenges with succeeding with content
              • The biggest wins on the table right now for law firms
              • Advice for legal marketers looking to take a more effective approach to content
              • 29 min
              • Episode 160 - Erika Galarneau of Cades Schutte on Bringing Local Culture into Your Firm's Marketing

                Law firms are an important part of the local communities they serve. In today’s episode of the CMO Series Podcast, Charles Cousins is lucky enough to sit down with Erika Galarneau, Marketing and Business Development Manager at Cades Schutte - Hawaii's largest law firm. Together they delve into a specific campaign that uncovers the importance of incorporating local culture into your marketing efforts.

                Erika and Charles Cover:

                • The role local culture plays in a firm's marketing efforts and why it should be something marketers have on their radar
                • Erika’s career journey and how she arrived at her current role
                • Example of incorporating local culture into campaigns and initiatives 
                • The impact of bringing local culture to that campaign
                • Guidelines or points that others should follow to ensure that they are bringing their own local culture into their marketing efforts
                • Advice for others who may not have as clear a culture as Hawaii
                • Tips for those looking at their current campaigns and thinking about bringing their local culture to them
                • 16 min
                • Growth & Gratitude: Part 3 - CMO Series Podcast Thanksgiving Special

                  In this special Thanksgiving edition of the CMO Series Podcast, we take a moment to reflect on the incredible mentors and leaders who have shaped the careers of some of the brightest minds in legal marketing. Our amazing guests share their gratitude for those who’ve guided their journeys, offering valuable insights, lessons, and experiences to inspire the next generation of legal marketing leaders.

                  At the heart of this episode are the themes of networking and collaboration - our guests emphasize how building and nurturing relationships are key to success. They also discuss the importance of taking ownership of your career, highlighting how this proactive approach can drive growth and open doors.

                  A huge thank you to all of our wonderful guests for sharing their stories and wisdom:

                  • Michelle Fountain-Lee - Head of Business Development for the US and Latin America, Herbert Smith Freehills
                  • Jennifer Stokes - Senior Marketing & Business Development Director, Shipman & Goodwin - Senior Marketing 
                  • Barbara Bell Malin - Chief Business Development and Marketing Officer, Jackson Walker
                  • Diana Courson - Chief Marketing Officer, Wiley Rein
                  • Kate Pearch - Chief Strategy Officer, Morris Manning & Martin
                  • Malcolm Pobjoy - Executive Director, US Market Management, Osborne Clarke
                  • Kate Boucher - Chief Business Development Officer, Foley Hoag
                  • Lisa Cooms -  Director of Marketing and Business Development, Friedman Kaplan
                  • Brian Colucci - Chief Business Development & Marketing Officer, Kilpatrick
                  • Gina Carriuolo - Chief Business Development and Marketing Officer, Hinckley Allen
                  • Wishing you all a very happy Thanksgiving.

                    31 min
                  • A Season of Gratitude: Part 2 - CMO Series Podcast Thanksgiving Special

                    In this special episode, we’re joined by a group of incredible leaders from the legal marketing industry who reflect on the mentors and pivotal figures that have influenced their careers. 

                    They share their experiences, offering valuable insights on how embracing bold innovation and building respect and understanding are key to shaping the future of legal marketing.

                    Featured Guests: 

                    • John Eix - Director of Business Development and Marketing, Crowe Dunlevy
                    • Amanda Schneider - Chief Marketing and Business Development Officer, Epstein Becker Green
                    • William McLaughlin - Director of Marketing, McNees Wallace & Nurick
                    • Maura Brandt - Crowell & Moring, Chief Marketing Officer
                    • Erika Galarneau - Marketing and Business Development Manager, Cades Schutte
                    • Azeema Batchelor - Director of Business Development, Wiley Rein
                    • Kim Kaine - Marketing & Business Development Manager, Hawley Troxell
                    • Despina Kartson - Chief Marketing Officer, Baker Hostetler
                    • Lora Wegman- Marketing and Communications Director, Thompson Coburn
                    • Norm Rubenstein - Managing Director of Client Development, O'Melveny & Myers
                    • Cynthia Voth - Chief Client Officer, Miller Nash
                    • Jillian Kanter McKenna - Director of Marketing and Business Development, Verrill Law
                    • Suzette Bradbury - Director of Practice Group Marketing, Cozen O'Connor
                    • Tune in to this Thanksgiving special for an inspiring conversation filled with lessons on the power of innovation, kindness, and mentorship in legal marketing.

                      33 min

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