Passle CMO Series Podcast

Passle CMO Series Podcast

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  • Episode 91 - Beyond Borders: An alternative approach to legal BD with David Kaufman of Nixon Peabody

    Steeped in tradition, many successful law firms have been built on a name and an individual’s connections. In a global market, extending those networks at scale, whilst retaining a personal approach, can be key to the success of a modern-day firm.


    On this episode of the CMO Series podcast, Eugene McCormick is lucky to be joined by David Kaufman, Director of Global Strategies at Nixon Peabody, who, although may appear unconventional, successfully crosses borders and time zones to build relationships and win business.

    David joins the series to discuss his alternative approach and why embracing globalisation has benefited his career.

    Eugene and David explore: 

    • David’s career journey to his role at Nixon Peabody
  • Developing a unique approach to business development and when David recognised the opportunities that globalisation presented to law firms
  • The critical success factors of doing business internationally and how to nurture connections regardless of geography
  • How marketing and BD professionals can replicate this career path or take the next step
  • The importance of personal branding and authenticity in this role 
  • Advice for professionals looking to take a more alternative approach to business development
  • 23 min
  • Episode 90 - Christy Walsh of Drew Eckl & Farnham on the move from CMO to COO as a legal marketer

    We've seen marketers in law firms get used to wearing a number of hats. One legal marketer who has come to wear a rather unique hat is Christy Walsh, Chief Operating Officer at Drew Eckl & Farnham.


    Today, Ali Bone welcomes Christy to the CMO Series to discuss the move from CMO to COO as a legal marketer and the challenges and opportunities for professionals looking to take this path.

    Ali and Christy explore:

    • How Christy came to her role as COO at Drew Eckl and Farnham
  • When and why an operations role became something Christy was looking for and how the new position came about
  • The skills crossover from marketing to operations
  • The challenges during that transition and areas that took some adjustment  
  • The day-to-day of a COO and how that differs from marketing
  • The secret to wearing many hats and managing a heavy workload
  • The potential evolution of the role of the legal CMO to COO
  • Advice to others looking to make this transition


  • 30 min
  • Episode 89 - Paul Webb of Richards, Layton & Finger on finding your place in legal marketing

    As legal marketing becomes more mature and attractive as a profession, more and more legal marketers are trying to find their fit within the industry.


    On today’s episode of the CMO Series, Charles Cousins is lucky today to get advice from Paul Webb, Director Of Marketing & Business Development at Richards, Layton & Finger. Paul joins the podcast to discuss how legal marketers can find the right fit for them within legal marketing.

    Charles and Paul cover: 

    • How Paul came to be in his current role and when the point he realised legal marketing was for him
  • What first attracted Paul to the idea of legal marketing as a career
  • The key considerations marketers should think about when selecting the type of firm and the location they want to work in
  • How to figure out which sub-disciplines within legal marketing, such as communications, PR and digital marketing are the right fit 
  • Advice for others trying to find the best fit for them within legal marketing
  • 15 min
  • Episode 88 - Silvia Van Den Bruel of Hausfeld on driving social inclusion and the role of legal marketing

    Diversity, Equity and Inclusion. Nearly all law firms have a DEI policy in place but how many are truly progressive when it comes to creating an inclusive and equitable environment for lawyers and business professionals to thrive? 

    That’s the theme of today’s episode of the CMO Series, and Will Eke is very lucky to welcome Silvia Van Den Bruel,  Marketing & Business Development Director at Hausfeld, to talk about social inclusion and the role of the marketing and BD function in driving change. 

    Silvia and Will discuss:

    • What Diversity, Equity and Inclusion looks like in today’s firms
  • The importance of language and the other factors that need addressing
  • Hausfeld’s approach to DEI and the opportunities for improvement
  • The role of the marketing function in driving change when it comes to social inclusion within law firms
  • Real-world examples of where DEI has benefited the firm
  • Advice for Marketing and BD leaders looking to take a more inclusive approach in their firm
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    29 min
  • Episode 87 - Kimberly Conyers on identifying pivotal moments in a legal marketing career

    It’s easy to reflect on the most significant moments in your career in retrospect, but understanding and identifying those milestones when they happen can be fundamental to taking the next step in your career journey.

    On today’s CMO Series podcast, Eugene McCormick is lucky to welcome Kimberly Conyers, Senior Marketing and Business Development Manager at Kennedys, to talk to us about the pivotal moments in her unique career.


    Kimberly and Eugene explore: 

    • Kim’s path into legal marketing and business development and where the journey started
  • The first pivotal moment in Kim’s career and when she realised how important that was
  • The approach Kim took to building her skillset and understanding the value she had to offer in her next role
  • The key projects or milestones that were pivotal in influencing the course of Kim’s career
  • The key factors or characteristics to understanding when is the right time to take the next opportunity
  • Advice to help other professionals recognise pivotal career moments and when to take the next step

  • 16 min
  • CMO Series REPRESENTS: Embracing Equity - Holding your own and finding joy in legal marketing

    In the final part of CMO Series REPRESENTS: Embracing Equity program, leading female voices across the legal marketing industry discuss the need for women to back themselves and be their own advocates to build a successful career in the profession. 


    This brilliant group of guests reflect on their experiences and share their personal perspectives, encouraging women to find joy in their careers and take ownership of forging their own paths in the industry in order to strike a fulfilling work-life balance. 

    We have the honour of hearing personal stories and perspectives from Charlotte Green, Head of Clients and Markets at Gowling WLG, Trish Lilley, Chief Marketing and Business Development Officer at Thompson Coburn, Elinor Gilles-Jones, Head of Business Development and Events at Wrigleys Solicitors, Sophie Hudson, Head of Marketing and Business Development at Sherrards Solicitors, Jane Biddell, Marketing and Business Development Director at Fox Williams, Jean Marie Campbell, Head of Client Development for North America for Baker McKenzie, Heather Morse, Chief Business Development Officer McGlinchey Stafford, Catherine Knock, Head of Marketing & Communications at Hassans, Siobhan Moret, Marketing Director at Saffery Champness, Tania D’Souza Culora, Founding Partner at Seastone IP and Candice De Bruin, Head of Business and Practice Development at Werksmans Attorneys.



    48 min
  • Episode 86 - Chris Postizzi of MG+M The Law Firm on building a marketing function from the ground up

    A law firm often brings in a new CMO to overhaul the firm's go-to-market approach. In some cases, the firm has little to no existing marketing function and the new CMO must build a team from the ground up.


    On today’s CMO Series, Charles Cousins is lucky to welcome Chris Postizzi, Chief Marketing and Business Development Officer at MG+M The Law Firm, to explore the challenges, learnings and successes that come from starting with a clean slate as a new CMO.

    Chris and Charles discuss: 

    • How Chris came to the role of CMO at MG+M
  • Where the firm is now, compared to where it was a year ago when Chris joined
  • The main projects Chris prioritised in the first year and the approach to delivering those
  • The experience of recruiting a whole team in the current market and Chris’s philosophy for building the team out
  • Advice for others thinking about or trying to build out their marketing and BD function
  • 34 min
  • CMO Series REPRESENTS - Embracing Equity: Building confidence in your capabilities

    This week on CMO Series REPRESENTS we’re joined by another group of leading women in  professional services marketing to discuss the techniques they have developed throughout their careers to build confidence in their capabilities. We also take a closer look at some of the innovative initiatives firms are creating to embed equity within their culture.


    Our esteemed guests share their unique perspectives and lived experiences which have shaped their growth, and discuss the importance of having confidence in their own abilities to build resilience and respect within the profession.

    We’re thankful to hear from Silvia Van Den Bruel, Marketing & BD Director at Hausfeld, Rachel Hussey, Clients and Markets Partner at Arthur Cox, Lea Kusano, Head of Communication & Marketing at Kellerhals Carrard, Lisa Vicine, Chief Marketing Officer at Arnall Golden Gregory, Joanna Hansen, Head of Marketing and Business Development at Morton Fraser Lawyers, Danielle Paige, Chief Marketing and Growth Officer at Nixon Peabody, Amelia Stirling, CMO at Burges Salmon, Nancy Kostakos, Chief Marketing Officer at Cooley, Jill Huse, Partner at Society 54, Anna Hedgepeth, Director of Business Development at Cranfill Sumner, and Sarah Ryan, Director of Marketing and Business Development at Stark & Stark.

    43 min
  • Episode 85 - Susan Hollender of Michael Best on legal products and the role of the Chief Growth Officer

    There are very few Chief Growth Officers working within law firms. It's a role that places an emphasis on value, revenue and on the business benefit that marketing and business development can bring.


    On this episode of the CMO Series, James Barclay is lucky to welcome Susan Hollender, Chief Growth Officer at Michael Best, to see how she and her team are delivering value and growth through legal productisation. 

    James and Susan delve into:

    • How Susan arrived in her current role as Chief Growth Officer and at what point on that journey she became familiar with productisation in the context of legal service
  • The synergy between disruption and growth and how to position yourself to have the mandate to do things differently
  • The definition of Productisation and how it works in a legal context
  • How Susan identified that productisation was something that would have an impact at Michael Best
  • The processes that helped establish those products within the firm
  • The level of cultural acceptance the firm needs to adopt these practices
  • Advice for others trying to lead growth in their firms
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    27 min
  • CMO Series REPRESENTS - Embracing Equity: Harnessing the power of your network

    Our celebration of leading women in professional services marketing continues on this week’s episode of CMO Series REPRESENTS where we explore the power of networks and why building and sustaining strong relationships with peers in professional services marketing can be key to longevity and success within the industry. 


    We’re grateful to hear unique insights and personal experiences on developing professional support networks from Geneva Granatstein, Director of Marketing at Lane Powell, Laura Nicholls, Chief Business Development Officer at Ashurst, Jessica Grayson, Managing Director of Business Development and Marketing at Stroock & Stroock & Lavan,  Larissa Palmer, Chief Business Development Officer at Cravath, Swaine & Moore, Natalia-Ruiz Moreno, Head of Marketing And Business Development at Boyes Turner, Melanie Davidson Barros, Chief Marketing Officer at Conyers, Melissa Marshall, Chief Marketing Officer at Levenfeld Pearlstein and Mary-Ann Russell, Head of Marketing and Sales Enablement at AMS.

    34 min

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