Passle CMO Series Podcast

Passle CMO Series Podcast

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  • Episode 78 - Powers Tanis of McAngus Goudelock & Courie on culture, communication and the role of marketing

    Law firm culture. Articulating it isn’t easy, but it impacts all aspects of the firm, from recruitment, retention and employee experience to client engagement and business development.


    On today’s episode of the CMO Series, Ali Bone is lucky to welcome someone who has successfully defined their firm’s culture - Powers Tanis, Director of Strategic Marketing and Communications at McAngus Goudelock & Courie.

    Powers joins the series to share her insights on culture, communication and the role of marketing in demonstrating the firm’s values.

    Ali and Powers discuss: 

    • Powers’ background leading up to her current role at McAngus Goudelock & Courie
  • The point in Powers’ career she realised the importance of culture and social value within the workplace, and in law firms specifically
  •  The activities Powers is implementing at McAngus to cultivate and communicate culture 
  • How these activities have changed and evolved in response to hybrid and more flexible working arrangements
  • The impact of this very considered approach to culture within the firm in relation to recruiting talent and retaining existing talent within the firm
  • How the culture impacts business development and marketing activities
  • Plans for 2023 and beyond when it comes to communicating the firm’s culture both internally and externally
  • Advice for other marketing professionals looking to cultivate and communicate their firm’s culture
  • A full transcription of this episode is available here.

    31 min
  • Episode 77 - Julie Wall Khoury of Balch & Bingham on customising business development coaching for today’s firm

    Defining and creating a new business development training program in a firm that’s thriving is perhaps more daunting than starting from scratch. Many firms stick to a tried and tested method, but that isn't always the most effective, or equitable, approach for a modern-day firm.


    On this episode of the CMO Series Ali Bone has the pleasure of welcoming Julie Wall Khoury, Chief Marketing Officer at Balch & Bingham to share her experience in developing a successful business development coaching program.

    Ali and Julie explore:

    • Balch & Bingham’s background in BD training and what needed to change
  • How the ‘Business Generator’ program come about, and the process and people involved in that journey
  • What value Society 54 brought to the research and development of the program
  • Identifying the right tools and platform for the program to be successful
  • Why ‘levelling up’ access for everyone in the firm was a conscious decision in the development of the program
  • How to drive engagement with a BD training program
  • The challenges or barriers to success when implementing a new program 
  • The success stories off the back of the program and how feedback will influence the next iteration
  • Advice for other marketing and BD leaders looking to take a customised approach to their BD training program
  • A full transcript of this episode is available here. 

    30 min
  • Episode 76 - Lisa Azzuolo of Bennett Jones on delivering for today’s clients in a century-old firm

    It’s no secret that the past 25 years have seen the most significant transformation in legal marketing and BD. But the events of recent years have no doubt seen the most monumental step change, from advances in technology to the way firms and their clients operate and interact on a daily basis.


    On this episode Charles Cousins is lucky to talk to Lisa Azzuolo, Chief Marketing Officer at Bennett Jones, about the challenges facing legal marketers and how to deliver value in today’s climate as well as the lessons learned in implementing a commemorative communications campaign that resonated with all of the firm's stakeholders.

    Charles and Lisa discuss: 

    • Lisa’s career journey which spans 30 years, and her path to CMO at Bennett Jones
  • The firm’s 100-year history and the objectives of the centennial campaign that launched in 2022 to celebrate this landmark moment 
  • How the new ways of working in recent years impacted the project and the challenges that presented 
  • How the firm demonstrated its gratitude and commitment to its clients through the campaign during a time when it was impossible to meet with people in person 
  • The implications of remote and hybrid working on the way teams operate and how to motivate teams and keep the momentum going
  • The highlights and successes of the campaign
  • Advice for other legal marketing leaders looking to implement a campaign of this magnitude
  • Find out more about Bennett Jones’ history and its centennial campaign, Firm First: 100 Years of Service and Trust, here.

    24 min
  • Episode 75 - Matthew Goffe of Eckert Seamans on the opportunities for legal business development professionals

    The rise of the marketing and business development function within law firms presents new opportunities for those developing a career in the industry. But how you approach and act upon those opportunities is the key to success.


    On this episode of the CMO Series, Ali Bone is lucky to welcome Matt Goffe, Director of Business Development at Eckert Seamans, who shares his journey in legal business development and advice for BD professionals looking to make an impact in their careers.

    Ali and Matt cover:

    • Matt’s career journey and how he came to his current role at Eckert Seamans
  • The pivotal points in Matt’s career and what he learnt from those experiences 
  • The key opportunities today for having an impact on the firm and building a successful career
  • The differences between sizes of firms in how business development professionals need to approach their roles
  • The programs currently creating impact at Eckert Seamans and the most significant opportunities for senior business development professionals to have an impact on their firms 
  • How to make the most of the Legal Marketing Association as an opportunity for growth
  • The future of careers in legal marketing & BD
  • Advice for others looking to make the most of the opportunities that exist in legal marketing and business development
  • 24 min
  • CMO Series Special: Your Guide to taking on 2023

    Over the past two years we’ve had the pleasure of speaking to some truly inspirational marketing and business development leaders who’ve shared their insights and advice for other professionals on their career journeys.

     

    To kick-start 2023, we had the privilege of catching up with 30 of our CMO Series guests to hear their top tips for legal marketing and BD success in professional services.

     

    From all of us here at Passle, we wish you a very happy and prosperous new year!

    32 min
  • Episode 74 - Suzanne Donnels of Davies on aligning technology with your firm’s goals for success

    Technology in legal marketing and business development offers huge opportunities to help firms progress and stand out in the market. The type of technology and how it’s applied depends on the firm’s capabilities, and more importantly, its goals and ambitions.


    Someone with a deep understanding of aligning technology with their firm's goals is Suzanne Donnels, Chief Business Development & Marketing Officer at Davies Ward Phillips & Vineberg. Ali Bone has the pleasure of sitting down with Suzanne to explore her insights on identifying and implementing the right tech stack to fit your firm’s goals. 

    Ali and Suzanne cover: 

    • Suzanne’s journey to CMO and how technology has played a role in that journey
  • What the definition of legal marketing tech is and the kinds of solutions available 
  • How law firm marketing and BD can shape their tech stack and policies to meet their goals
  • Example of alignment between goals of the firm and technology
  • How far along firms are on their technology journey and the minimum baseline and core capabilities that today's legal marketing and BD departments need to be delivering
  • Advice for others looking to make the most of the opportunities presented by technology in legal marketing and business development
  • 26 min
  • Episode 73 - Michael Hertz of White & Case on leading innovation in law firms

    From the outside, the legal industry might seem slow to change, but for those working within or alongside law firms, there are constant innovations driving the industry forward.


    Today's guest has been right at the centre of that innovation, Ed Lovatt is excited to welcome Michael Hertz, CMO of White & Case to the CMO Series to discuss innovation and how leaders in law firms can approach it successfully.

    Ed and Michael discuss:

    • Michael’s journey to CMO at White & Case and how it’s influenced his approach to innovation 
  • How Michael’s deep experience with the knowledge function within law firms influences his approach to innovation day-to-day
  • How leaders can ensure that innovation is cohesive and benefits the firm 
  • How to distil what innovations will benefit a specific client  
  • The key challenges in scaling innovations within a law firm
  •  When and how firms should build their reputation in the market as an innovative service provider
  • Advice for others looking to be successful in leading innovation within law firm
  • 31 min
  • Episode 72 - Konstantin Shishkin of Goodwin Procter on growing an innovative legal marketing department

    The journey to CMO or Communications leader is often indirect. In many cases, the most successful marketing leaders have wide-ranging experience across different industries, roles and geographies.


    Eugene McCormick is lucky to welcome someone who has brought his communications and agency experience to his role in legal. Today on the CMO Series we welcome Konstantin Shishkin, Chief Communications Officer at Goodwin Procter.

    Konstantin shares how he’s building an innovative legal marketing team that breaks the mould of the traditional law firm approach.

    Eugene and Konstantin cover: 

    • Konstantin’s career journey to his role now as Chief Communications Officer at Goodwin
  • The unique characteristics or experiences from his work in communications and how they have influenced the marketing and communications team at Goodwin
  • The key differentiators regarding the firm’s strategy and the main focus areas
  • Influencing the approach to recruitment and growing a marketing team that aligns with the firm’s strategy
  • Building the marketing team like a startup and how that differs to other firms
  • The problem with the traditional approach to recruiting and building marketing teams in law firms
  • The challenges to building a team in this innovative way
  • Advice for other marketing and communications professionals in the industry looking to take a more innovative approach to growing a team
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    32 min
  • Episode 71 - Tammy Mangan of Cohen Milstein Sellers & Toll on identifying and taking advantage of opportunities as a legal marketer

    Change is inevitable. But how law firms react to it is a defining characteristic of successful legal marketing. Shifts in the economy, emerging industries and changes in regulation happen often and being able to respond to new opportunities is a skill that marketing leaders need to exercise now more than ever before.


    Jennifer Green is lucky to welcome to the CMO series Tammy Mangan, Director of Marketing at Cohen Milstein Sellers & Toll, to explore how legal marketers can recognise and take advantage of opportunities in the market.  

    Jennifer and Tammy cover:

    • How Tammy came to be in your current role and when was it in her career that she realised how important it was to be aware of and able to take advantage of opportunities as a legal marketer
  • Why looking for opportunities and turning them to the benefit of the firm is so key for marketing at a law firm
  • What a potential opportunity look like for a firm and what marketers do to be more aware of possible developments
  • How marketers be nimble and ready to move quickly enough to make opportunities  matter
  • Once the opportunity becomes obvious and the firm has committed to the plan, what the first steps are in making the most of that development
  • Advice for marketers looking to see and react to opportunities facing their firm
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    16 min
  • Thanksgiving Special

    This Thanksgiving we’re celebrating and giving thanks to our CMO Series guests as they share their gratitude to the people in their lives that have helped them succeed in their legal marketing and business development careers. 


    In this special bumper-packed edition of the podcast we hear their personal stories, the inspiring people and the advice that have guided these leaders on their paths to success. 

    We’d like to wish our friends and colleagues a very happy Thanksgiving!

    38 min

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