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TW - suicide.

Ellen was found dead in her apartment in 2011 with 20 stab wounds, including some to her back and neck.   Ellen’s death was ruled a suicide and many people have argued that this ruling was incorrect.  How could someone stab themselves multiple times in the back?

Ellen’s parents have fought for years to have her case re-examined and their petition was granted this year.   Another medical examiner reviewed the reports and information available, and again, ruled that Ellen’s death was a suicide.

In this episode, we run through the new updates (including newly discovered wounds on Ellen’s body).  Was Ellen murdered or was her death truly suicide?

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Read our blog for this case - https://truecrimesocietyblog.com/2025/10/20/ellen-rae-greenberg-murder-or-suicide/

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