Karl has been enjoying the necessity of religion from below, but doesn't buy the idea of a personal God who willfully acts in time. Karen is an artist who sees that there always needs to be an element of the random so that order doesn't get tyrannical. They with Ari had a very interesting conversation about Austrian economics. Ari and Karen are Christians who believe in a personal God, Karl is now. Where do the lines fall around their belief systems?

I also bring in a fascinating conversation between Peter Thiel and William Hurlbut on death. Both Thiel and Hurlbut identify as Christians. Hurlbut gives a lovely illustration of the complexity of the human body and the limits of what humanity will likely accomplish.

Chauncey Wright was part of the Metaphysical Club that with Pierce and James launched American Pragmatism. Wright believed that all there is is complicatedness but human perception is limited and so the difference between religious belief and irreligion is a wash.

If this is the case, however, a guy like Rationality Rules is really in trouble because rationality itself falls or at least falls into pragmatism. It doesn't really afford with Rat Rules says it does or wants it to.

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In this story Jesus likens a woman from another ethnic to a dog. This has stirred discussion for a very long time. John Suk, who pastors a United Church in Toronto preached on the Matthew version of this in 2014. http://faithisntwhatyouthink.blogspot.com/2014/01/jesus-racial-slur-and-bible.html Here's my take.

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Joseph grew up very Catholic. He's of Italian and Mexican heritage. Went to a Jesuit HS and then into the California UC system. He was a history major but built up student debt so had to go into manufacturing like his father. The faith wasn't his young and he went full materialist atheist in college. Via Jordan Peterson he began to reconsider. He's a very thoughtful, reflective man and so we talk.

UCLA and UCSC History majorStudent debtItalian sycilian mexicanRaised very CatholicLoyola HS in LAHughes and BoeingAcademic to manufacturing environmentSatellite productionLatent hostility to ChristianityStalinist purgesHeavy metal fanTattoosJordan PetersonAlign how I act with what I consume and what i say I believeHold those reactions in checkStrong sense of prudence and cautionAlign towards a Christian orientationOatmeal of Christian practicePredestination

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Sarah is a homeschooling mom who lives on the farm. She's been a regular on the Rando's channel and the Discord server and we sit down for our second conversation about being Christian and working in and with the church.

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This is a video I abandoned because I messed up the sound and only shared it on the Discord server. Byrne Power repaired it. I had decided to abandon it for another attempt at treating the JOKER but since I didn't have a video to post today and Byrne gracious fixed it why not share it.

So Eric Weinstein's portal is sort of the Batcave and Peter Thiel is sort of a Bruce Wayne. They want to save decaying Gotham (now on the West Coast) The problem is that what they (and Rationality Rules) are dealing with is not the world as modernism imagines. Modernism is crumbling and the titans of the world are trying to find the next great thing. Meanwhile the sheep are reasonably anxious about their future.

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Dr. Jim is back with some very helpful stuff for the conversation. I'll include the notes below. Links first.

Richard Rorty: Is Religion Compatible with Science?https://youtu.be/fn2F2BWLZ0Q 

Clem Snidehttps://youtu.be/uND1ydB2gXE 

The Slow (Kevin's band) Song- Black Fridayhttps://youtu.be/ojjWB5cTCg4 

Wilford Sellarshttps://plato.stanford.edu/entries/sellars/ 

David Bonavac on Wiford Sellarshttps://youtu.be/aVoWTnpF5ew 

House showGroup A and group BKicking a soccer ball, the ball will travel in an invariant waySee the ball in its environment as not having agency, inanimateUnexceptionally thatEven in the case of an anomaly we look for it to be contained in an invariant fieldWe engage in it that way before we do some rational reconstructionPlaying soccer with his son, a person with agencyMaterialism and naturalism, At a base level this is perennial problem not a new problemModernist dilemma William HarveyContemporary of GalileoHarvey was taking that same vision and turning it towards the organization of the bodyHe described it as a pumpDescarte reflected back on Harvey as an influence to himWhy don’t we put Harvey in the same kind of place that we see GalileoLiturgyPeopleSplit vision ideaWilfred Sellers philosopherUndermined the whole analytic tradition, undermining the idea that science could be purely based on empiricismHe stopped the analytic dominance of philosophyPhilosophy and the Scientific Image of Man, Stanford Encyclopedia page“The clash between the manifest image and the scientific image. Idealizations of distinct conceptual frameworks. Persons and things with emphasis on persons. Scientific image presents itself as a rival image. “

Problem is that the scientific image has a totalizing ambitionThe two images entail a kind of ontologyWe set up a hierarchy of being rather than an easy coincidence of things as we saw in playing soccerSam Harris the self is an illusion, illusion is the deflationalry termLessor status of ontologyLess claim on realityThe modernist term has this temptationCritique JBP’s half of the field of objectsArena for action is probably wrong, actions don’t have value in themselvesYou can put a sequence of actions together and its only a sequence of value neutral actionsYou get to Nietzsche with that formulaJordan PetersonSaying it’s action leads to a power dynamicCare, Hiedegger Our essence is dependenceCompetence and actionImage of the crossCrucifixion, a kind of declarationDeath cannot be seen as failureCross is an affirmative declaration that death is not failureThe SlowBlack FridayMary Kochan https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC2leFZRD0ZlQDQxpR2Zd8oA 

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Mark Vernon and I talk about his book after my YouTube book review of his book The Secret History of Christianity. I was curious after Mark's Unbelievable appearance with Malcolm Guite to get more specific about how Barfield changed Mark's relationships with Christianity. The conversation got into Jesus, miracles, CS Lewis and the Gospel of Mark.

My first conversation with Mark Vernon https://youtu.be/3a2YlaCkmns My YouTube book review of a Secret History of Christianity https://youtu.be/5ttiscmDsEU Mark Vernon and Michael Leighty https://youtu.be/5zk1H9ph7Vk Mark Vernon on Unbelievable https://youtu.be/2LIg0Xh3Sbk A Secret History of Christianity https://amzn.to/2IPhdcB CS Lewis Miracles https://amzn.to/33AA0k9 Owen Barfield Re-Discovery of Meaning https://amzn.to/2VEap75 

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The Gospel of Mark takes another turn with heightened interest in Jesus from religious and political leadership. The Pharisees were a moderate religious-political party that was trying to resist the spiritual contamination of their culture through what today would be seen as symbolic resistance. They notice that Jesus' disciples are not observant/compliant and they ask Jesus about that. What Jesus says to them offends, disturbs and changes the world in a Barfieldian way.

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My second conversation with Jeff. After our first video I made a response video but this isn't really what Jeff is looking for. Can Christianity address our contemporary challenges even hobbled by its archaic cosmology? Jeff shares some of his ideas. We talk about nihilism and materialism.

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Listening to JBP's Bib Series again after two years of work on him and others in the conversation affords me different insight on the project. Now with what I've learned from John Vervaeke, Owen Barfield and recently Rene Girard I hear the material with different ears. So this is sort of a "sing along with Jordan" as I re-listen to the Biblical Series that was so impactful for so many people.

Biblical Series 1 The Idea of God https://youtu.be/f-wWBGo6a2w 

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