Khemit is a lover of fiction and fantasy and sees its role in developing our own stories. He runs a Facebook group supporting people working through Jordan Peterson's self-authoring program and has his own course on The Character Arc. I think you'll enjoy this conversation.

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NotesSelf-authoring collaborating Facebook groupThe Character Arc CourseFoster in people a relationship with fictionFoster a sense of togetherness only found through storyGym membership problem12 Rules for LifeConnection with stories and archetypesTransition expertCBTNorthrup Fry: knowledge is of the specific, wisdom is of the generalWisdom is related to story in a causal wayThe Bible in the mind is the more important BibleLord of the RingsDress up like your favorite characterComiconThecharacterarc.com Smart streamingCharacter arc courseThe character arc podcastSelfauthoring futureauthoring self authoring collaboration group on Facebook

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Nick is back and we get deeper into how normal people must use something like magical thinking to navigate a very complex world. The Internet exacerbates the challenge because it creates a nearly perfectly flat salience landscape. I enjoyed this conversation and I hope you will too. Notes below

DDT so safe... https://youtu.be/gtcXXbuR244

how the internet flattens salience thru contradiction, how pattern finding in our frame of reference always directly implies a metalayer (how this relates to psychedelic experience), how context is created thru consumption (cults as curated information - salience manipulation),

Heuristics function on what we call magical thinkingEmploying magical thinking constantly throughout the dayWashing our handsThat process, all we have done is call the bad stuff “germs” and put the good stuff onHow deeply it impacts you psyche without noticing itAnti-vaxxersThe rise of the internetCollege violenceWe don’t have fins for this realmThere’s no other way to curate the internetThe fundamental drives functioning on the internet are not as directWe don’t have a strong mechanism for sorting the internetWe have to decide what to focus onAndy Ng antifa PortlandThe Internet itself is nearly a perfectly flat salience fieldThe human response is a cultural framingWe’re getting a feedback loopThe effect of clickbaitWhy do we eat at McDonaldsLiterally changing our tastes

Postmodernism is setting up the ground for flattened salienceYou can’t bite your own teeth, your eye can’t see itselfBuddhismAllowing of who I am rather than getting rid of who I amLooking at the postmodern condition is a form of baptismPostmodern context is a submergence into the waterFear of drowningPeterson’s chaos. The original symbol of chaos is the deep waterDrowning in informationBaptism of repentanceKendrick lamar god as gangsterSymbol of Christ

Looking into the uncanny valleyWe are stuck in the uncanny valleyThe pit of the uncanny valley is the wax museumRelated to social media. We’ve locked ourselves into the uncanny valley particularly in the image focused Two ways to get out, towards the cartoonish, or more towards the hyper realisticVery positive reactions to the hyper cartoonishDeep negative reaction to those putting on a show that think they are realA dehumanizing effect

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JP is a Canadian graduate student in philosophy and sees panpsychism as the answer to Vervaeke's physicalism and the meaning crisis.

JP from QuebecRaised RC, fell away from the faithHad interest in questions of ethicsDoes good exist, what is it? Math and computer scienceAt least making progress in math and sciencePhilosophy didn’t seem to be going anywhereGodel’s incompleteness theoremshttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G%C3%B6del%27s_incompleteness_theoremsThen moved into PhilosophyThesis of masters was the hard problem of consciousnessWas a hard physicalistVervaekeOntology of real relationshttp://www.philosophy-index.com/jackson/marys-room/ Mary’s roomPan psychismThe hard problem of consciousnessZombie nightmares when he was working on thisWrestling with nihilism90% fewer zombie nightmaresEthicsAround that time learned about Jordan Peterson, John Vervaeke, Jonathan HaidtWe need to construct morality with the environment, in trial and errorZombie night mares diminishPhilosophy causes and can reduce zombie nightmaresStarted going back to a RC churchAs a way to develop virtueTry to embody the storyWhat God could mean philosophicallyTalked to Jonathan Pageau about the zombie nightmaresSymbolic solution to the zombie nightmaresWhat would Jesus do in a zombie apocalypseHelps to see young people in the RCMet four people who were philosophy studentsPeople are very hungry to talk philosophy in churchPanpsychism of a bookPeople didn’t want to do metaphysics for a long timeCausal closure of the physical

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Can we understand Jesus Christ as an archetype with relevance for understanding the role of men in society today? Organizer of the European Men's Gathering, Paul Lloyd Robson speaks to Pastor and Jordan Peterson commentator Paul VanderKlay about the aspects of Jesus as an archetype. Particularly we explore his relevance in helping men to find their contributive role and take responsibility, while balancing their identity between masculine and feminine virtues.

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Zechariah tells the people that the promises of God are conditional upon their capacity to fulfill their side of the bargain, and Israel keeps failing. This is why Jesus comes.

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JBP lays out God #1 when he says to Bishop Barron "that structure (consciousness) is God the Father". Bishop Barron lets it go without comment. I also return to the Biblical Series because I think I can comment on it better after looking at Peterson intensively for over a year.

Conversation in Audio Form https://www.wordonfire.org/peterson/ Biblical Series 1 https://youtu.be/f-wWBGo6a2w JBP/SH/BW Vancouver 1 https://youtu.be/d-Z9EZE8kpo 

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Why the NY Times doesn’t understand why people would be interested in Religion.Can generosity be commanded? People want no rules in churchChurch as a voluntary organizationI don’t know anybody who believes in the resurrection of the body who didn’t go to seminaryYou have this toolbox that you are constantly adding toYou use different ideas in churchPeople’s positions on stuff are revealed by how they act, write or speak passively than activelyIf everything is expressive, there should not be any rulesThe statements they are saying are propagandaEpistemology that the church teaches Christianity has is so unclearDefends itself by critiquing the critiqueWhat do people mean when they say the word “God”So many of the pastors are on their back foot but I don’t know what they mean by their termsYou grow up with an idea that God is just a big one of us.Metaphysics in Christianity have seen a distinct lack of focusChristians don’t really know what they are saying when they say “god exists”What is a Christian epistemology?What we mean when we say “I believe that Jesus is Lord”

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John Vervaeke teaches that the meaning crisis is a result of our long story into modernity. Human beings find themselves alone in a sea of dead, unconscious matter and it is causes us a crisis of meaning. We deconstructed everything down to ourselves. We dissect the world, dissect ourselves but wonder who holds the knife. Owen Barfield had some incredibly important insights into this process that need far more attention. Malcolm Guite, an Anglican Priest has given some fine lectures on this. I'll use him to explore Barfield in this video.

Malcolm Guite https://youtu.be/8_v9vX4y0Cg ThinkBigAnimation https://youtu.be/hGmUEMJo_tE Malcolm Guite on Owen Barfield https://youtu.be/vWPaYqMYwbA Bret Weinstein Assassin Robots https://youtu.be/KigJ5rn-4yE CS Lewis Miracles https://www.amazon.com/Miracles-C-S-Lewis-ebook/dp/B002BY77FY Paul Maxwell Memorize Philosophy 30 minutes https://youtu.be/G5i2y5w8Dzc conversation with Quality existence https://youtu.be/pVooVYjas2g Vervaeke metaphysics https://youtu.be/6ZRd_TEua8E Jordan Peterson, Sam Harris, Bret Weinstein Vancouver 1 heuristics https://youtu.be/d-Z9EZE8kpo?t=4453 Dallas Willard the Nature of Worldviews https://youtu.be/X6hwsG7AUZ0 Jordan Peterson and Roger Scruton https://youtu.be/XvbtKAYdcZY Owen Barfield LIterary Estate https://owenbarfield.org/  #meaningcrisis #owenbarfield #vervaeke

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This is our first four way conversation, a meetup online of sorts. The conversation ranges of course. Job in his quest to find God, Luke in his escape from evangelicalism to orthodoxy, Jeff in his continuous exploration of CS Lewis.

Hallmark of a good communityWhy do we watch? SalienceGabriel Marcel, Searching. People who are honest seekersCommitted to the truth outside of the truth they currently apprehendThere’s a whole new existence in which life is worth livingMaybe there will be another video and I’ll understand a bit betterAdmirationMy conversation with RodThe journey towards salvation is marked by a successive elimination of all that we have in order to reach what we are. Nathan Jacobs and Hank Hannegraff

 

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Luke comes in for his second chat. He's off Twitter but active in the comments. He continues to promote Orthodoxy as a retreat from his experience in the evangelical church.

Notes Interconnectedness of all thingsWoundednessThe modernist West has idolized the intellect and is on the way towards complete disembodiment via technologies, tools and transactionalism towards technological Babel.

https://slatestarcodex.com/2016/07/25/how-the-west-was-won/

Technological Babel:IndividualismProgressTechnologyMaterialism/consumerism

Glen ScrivenerJordan Peterson

Grace and WorksNathan Jacobs and Hank Hannegraff Eastern and Western

American will change the Orthodox

Father Andrew at St. Mary’s

Father Steven Freeman Everywhere Present

Ken Wilber, spiral dynamics

Laurus by Eugene Vodolazkin

George McDonald’s LilithEditable notes https://docs.google.com/document/d/189XUKPOMw1ZcruD5YWbipimP4ZtyL8xe8gJEEZhM-xs/edit?usp=sharing

 

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