Haggai the Prophet looks like a failure. Zerubbabel didn't shake the world. They didn't stream to the rebuilt temple. Why is this book in the Bible?

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Kindness is a fruit of the Spirit but it does not belong at the top of our value hierarchy. The US currently has one party that values kindness, and the other strength, and what we need is integration. I'll focus on CS Lewis' differentiation of Love and kindness as applied to Western culture today.

CS Lewis on Love and Kindness https://paulvanderklay.me/2019/06/28/cs-lewis-love-vs-kindness/ 

Andrew Sullivan Dems on Immigration and declining acceptance http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2019/06/andrew-sullivan-democrats-are-in-a-bubble-on-immigration.html 

Dave Rubin's Tweet https://twitter.com/RubinReport/status/1144396029090922496 

CS Lewis the Problem of Pain https://www.amazon.com/Problem-Pain-C-S-Lewis-ebook/dp/B002BD2USY 

The Great Divorce https://www.amazon.com/Great-Divorce-C-S-Lewis-ebook/dp/B002BD2US4 

Frank Schaeffer and Brian McLaren https://youtu.be/AY1b9cc08jo Frank Schaeffer Google Talk https://youtu.be/-33BUmx91BE Fatal Discord https://www.amazon.com/Fatal-Discord-Erasmus-Luther-Western-ebook/dp/B0796T43YF JBP one last question https://youtu.be/afSQZweYDts Cruising in the Age of Consent https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2019/07/cruising-in-the-age-of-consent/590656/ A Match made in heaven https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/posteverything/wp/2019/06/21/feature/a-match-made-in-heaven/ Rod Dreher https://www.theamericanconservative.com/dreher/stonewall-gift-sexual-revolution-lgbt/ 

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A Quality Existence is a YouTube channel that explores many of the same ideas this channel does from the perspective of a Metaphysic of Quality. Sevilla uses the work of Robert Pirsig who wrote Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance to facilitate this exploration. She caught my attention a while ago when she was commenting on Jordan Peterson and CS Lewis. Recently she did a couple of videos about the differences between the work of Jonathan Vervaeke and Jonathan Pageau.

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NotesZen and the art of motorcycle maintenanceNoetic dimension victor FranklWith Pirsig it felt like he was touching bottomMetaphysics of QualityTurn it into something in therapySpiritual interventionJordan PetersonPeople don’t connect with organized religionArt schoolAlan WattsRichard RohrCS LewisScrewtape LettersMiraclesMaps of MeaningQuality drives the universe, what is better is what is more freeWe’re limited beings, we’re expanding towards less and less limitationThings grow in complexityLevels of Quality, static levels of qualityThese upper levels are subjectiveThe subjective is just as real as the objectiveThat way of seeing the world is so productiveThe analytical knifeThe more experiments you produce the more objects you produceYou just keep cuttingYou can’t just see you and things in the worldLila, the second book, turns it into an actual philosophySeeing that underlying metaphysics, God can be in thereThe drive is to the better, the good, limitlessThe upward trajectory is a moral oneThe ghost of reasonThe medieval worldview the symbols are as alive and real as the material in the world, more realNot until we discover rationality that we have a relationshipIt’s meaning, not materialVervaekeThe problem began with AristotleQuality is a thing that infiltratesAlways towards what’s betterYou sense qualityThe flow stateGumptionApplied metaphysics, VervaekeThe morality is the hardest partThe way we are by frank putnamDynamical systemsThere’s an inherent movement in natureOur moods and our states transition with the undercurrentEvidence to see ourselves as multiple

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Shiobhan jumped into a slot that was freshly vacated and shared with me the experiences she has received. She notes early on that some churches don't like this kind of thing. Many people I talk to are looking or waiting for some sort of supernatural experience. She wasn't looking for it but it happens to her. How do we handle it? Do we value it? What do you think about it?

If you want to study this I recommend T.M. Luhrmann's When God Talks Back. https://www.amazon.com/When-God-Talks-Back-Understanding-ebook/dp/B005IQZAQ0

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Dr. Nathan Jacobs is an artist, filmmaker, lecturer in theology and philosophy who created a film on the "nones and dones" Becoming Truly Human. https://www.amazon.com/Becoming-Truly-Human-Nathan-Jacobs/dp/B0759QXCCG

Reaching Nones and Dones https://youtu.be/ME54BibXfYswith Hank Hanegraaf https://youtu.be/T-y1zHK9X6M and https://youtu.be/oJHCg8xt_l8

Phil Vischer Me, Myself and Bob. https://www.amazon.com/Me-Myself-Bob-Talking-Vegetables-ebook/dp/B006ZBR4V6

Great up lutheranMother was deeply into apologeticsFamily argued about faith and lifeImpression of Genesis, sounds like Moses is describing the world under a dome with water aboveHugh RossMom instilled a lack of fear of asking questionsTheological discussion for funNo substantive spirituality with itHit a spiritual crisisWas on a bad acid tripHaving certain realizations about consciousness and the soulSocrates argument of affinity and the soulConsciousness doesn’t break down and decayHow do you get off the ride when you are the rideIf I kill my body will that kill my consciousness? That awakened a realization that his consciousness might survive himThe state of my own soul can be a state of tormentParadise being the condition of the soul, Eastern church fathersDo I have free will? What is God like? Maybe he is a tyrant? Started diving into religious questions.Started a long path of academic studyBad acid trip in high school and propelled for yearsTook the questions so seriouslyFree will is a serious thing, if I have that capacity, that is a huge weightIt became a crisisLeft art school because he was so focused on philosophyAugustine, Aquinas, Neoplatonists, Aristotelians, Modern Philosophy, KantWorked it as data points and trying to make it cohereWorld religions try to address the human conditionJesus of Nazareth seems to offer some type of exclusivityWhat if Jesus was a sorcerer or a deceiverIs he a wonder worker? Look at the fruit of what it bearsReturn to the Christian rootsTook the problem of evil seriously but it didn’t lead to atheismThe argument created a data point on the goodness of God and existence of evil, and you can’t get rid of transcendent moralityProcess philosophy. Alfred North Whitehead, heartshorn, Omnipotence and other theological mistakes. Major problems in Augustine and Aquinas pushed him towards philosophical ChristianityIt really didn’t have any practiceBelieved in Jesus but no affiliation with a visible churchMoved from being a none to a doneOr maybe a never wasThe search went from degree to degree to degree, philosophy, church history, PhD studies, Took a class in a patristic scholar, from Nicea to Constantinople. Reading all primary scources, all Eastern Fathers. Was disoriented by the Eastern Fathers. I don’t know what I’m reading here. The more he understood them the more compelling they were. Their thought represented an alternative hypothesis but offered more. Hallucinogens and ArtMaryland Institute, Art School, intense full immersionPhilosophy school wasn’t like he imaginedFound a couple of professors that noticed his interestTransferred to Trinity DeerfieldSpent a semester working for his dad’s construction companyAt the college he had more freedom than he would have with divinity schoolTerrible student growing up unpolished academicallyChris Firestone, equally unpolished. John StackhouseCoauthored a book on Kant with Chris FirestoneTrinity Evangelical Divinity School TEDSCalvin SeminaryAt the doctoral level it was far more openPlantinga and WolterstorffRichard MullerMet wifeChalk lineKilling PoeShe was very much an evangelicalCommunion with the Orthodox church, in obedience to the priestTook 7 years. David Bradshaw, chair of philosophy department of KentuckyAncient MetaphysicsGotta find an exit route out of the evangelical worldGrand Rapids, MichiganInterested in the NonesContinue in FilmTree of LifeLife Itself

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Mary "the smart lady from the comments section" is back and wanted to piggy back on Cassidy's conversation about cults. She's bringing a lot of books with her. Previous conversation with Mary https://youtu.be/WdlMtQSKszcWith Cassidy on Cults and Tongues https://youtu.be/gsW1hUDDKlg

Cult and occultCult from agriculture, cultivationOrigin of religious devotion had to do with agricultureDisambiguationGood cult, neutral cult and bad cultSectsModern phenomenon started around the 1960sKidnapping, deprogramming, snapped back to realityPhase 3, stepping back and studying it

3 definitions of cults

1. The popular definition: Cults were small groups, they dressed weird, they lived in isolation fanatically devoted to the teachings of one leader. Cults attracted stupid, weakminded people.

That definition is inaccurate. If you have it in your mind that the people who get into cults are stupid and weak minded, that leaves you vulnerable to being recruited.

2. A theological definition of a cult. Dr. Walter Martin. Kingdom of the Cults. Watchmen fellowship.

Add, substract, multiply and divide. Adds to the BibleSubtracts from the deity of Christ or the TrinityMultiplies what you need to do for salvationDivides the person from their family and friends

3. More academic standpoint. Based more on the actions that the belief structure, Deed not creed.

See if you can locate some models. Communism. Robert J. Lifton https://www.amazon.com/Robert-Jay-Lifton/e/B000APASEIModel of the abused woman. The person who identifies with the abuserInternational Cultic Studies association

Interact with former cult members. Interviewed peopleMary, as a former JW sat with 70 people from other cults.

How similar all of the experiences are. Cults actively recruit people. And they don’t actively recruit stupid or weak minded peopleDeception in recruitingHijacked lives. Twisted Scriptures: by CHRNALOGAR. https://www.amazon.com/Twisted-Scriptures-Breaking-Churches-Abuse-ebook/dp/B000SEVTL2Taking an illegitimate amount of authority over the life of a personA cult cannot manage a civilizationThey restrict the domains in which people can operate

Releasing the bonds by Hassan https://www.amazon.com/Releasing-Bonds-Empowering-People-Themselves/dp/0967068800Cult Proofing your kids: dr. Martin. Wellspring retreat and resource center. https://www.amazon.com/Cult-Proofing-Your-Kids-Martin/dp/0310537614Margert Thaler Singer: cults in our midst https://www.amazon.com/Cults-Our-Midst-Continuing-Against/dp/0787967416Difference between a cult and the US MarinesCaptive hearts, captive minds. https://www.amazon.com/Captive-Hearts-Minds-Recovery-Relationships/dp/0897931440Survivors of cults Recovery from Cults

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Mission trip, beach houses in Point LomaCultsNickSectsRecovery cultsRelational polarityThe desire for liberty, the desire for possessionPentecostalismBethel church reddingJesus cultureCharismatic traditionsTechnology of the spiritSpeaking in tonguesFeels inauthentic to try to teach peopleMiraclesSpiritual giftsJobJoonWayne GrudenTip free restaurants

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The heart of much religion is a transaction with the spiritual in order to secure what we want. When we manage our individual relationships this way we offend those we say we love. Why wouldn't this offend a personal God?

The joy of the end of the Babylonian Exile gave way to the muddle of conflict and unrealized expectations. A Remnant returned from Babylon only to face problems with those who remained in the land.

Jem, To Kill a MockingbirdPlymouth UKMother committed herself to an asylumHas a twin sisterParents had a strained marriageRemembers Tim Lee’s storyAlways a timid, weak childDiagnosed with clinical depressionLate teens the whole rave thing was kicking offStarted with pot and recreational drugs like LSD, ecstasy,A-levels: tests to qualify for universityMediocre a-levelsParents were authoritarian and very left wingAround 20 his dad diagnosed with cancer and his mother became an alcoholicThe first time at university, the first lesson was on DerridaThen Plato and Nietzsche Plato was positive. Nietzsche beat the crap out of himThe genealogy of moral sentiments. Jem had been raised a Christian. Niezsche’s attack on Christianity is psychological. Born out of Judaism as they were dominated by the Romans. The morality that came out of Judaism into Christianity is slave morality. Master and Slave moralityThe negative psychological aspects of Christianity. The morality of the weak, the downtrodden the broken…Gazing up at Christianity wishing to become oneIt got me to look at myself, some of these characteristics he saw within himself, weakness and resentmentThat shattered his faith. It was a wakeup call. Toxic resentment was growing in him.I didn’t lose my faith, i ripped it out and threw it in the gutter. I felt unworthy of GodOnce you doubt one system of belief you can doubt all other. It happened in a matter of hoursNot only the branch you’re sitting on but all the branches on the way down. The descent into nihilismResentment is going to manifest in classical marxist termsIt didn’t take too much of a hold because of the pot smoking15 years, a little, every dayJonathan HaidtPolitics should be an application not an orientationDad died of the cancer when he was 22, mother died of alcoholism about a year laterLived in parents house, did pot, dabbled in rave sceneThe next 12 years, tried jobs, minimum wage jobs, buy a small house, About 5 years ago trained to become a counselor. Applied to a college, accepted, 2 year course, two tutors, One was a textbook social justice warriorIn Britain a piece of law passed: equality and diversity act of 2010Had a couple of days where they were taught thisOn these two days they were taught feminism, anti-racism, all white people were racist, critical theory,He protest voted most of his lifeWhen she came out with this it stirred something deep in him. British national party is a racist political partyAccused of projecting his racism onto them…Monty Python Witch testDiscovered Youtube hundreds of hours anti-feminism stuff… Eventually then Jordan Peterson comes alongHe ticks off all these boxesThrough him he effectively tried to become a ChristianWatched Solzhenitzen’s Harvard addressThe reason why Communism was so destructive was when people abandoned GodStarted going to a local churchHe failed. It didn’t work. Won’t call himself a Christian now. Eric, conversion, Tim Keller, admiring someoneJBP provides justifications for ChristianityChurch Of England injected with secular moralityThey were downplaying the morality. Having watched JBP the secular influence was diminishing their ChristianityBy playing down the morality they were diminishing it. Non-judgmentalismI couldn’t quite convert because his faith was weakFinding out whether something you say is true. When you say something true you feel together. When it isn’t true you feel spread-out, detached and weakReally an agnosticYou don’t want to lie about that.

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Karen is an artist living in Silicon Valley. Through Jordan Peterson's work she's developed some interesting ideas about art, reality, math and religion. http://www.karenwongart.com/

Habermas, the Resurrection argument that changed a generation of scholars.https://youtu.be/ay_Db4RwZ_M

Neil Turok on the Simplicity of everythinghttps://youtu.be/f1x9lgX8GaE

Stephen Strogatz on the Beauty of Calculushttps://youtu.be/1r6893ga_So

https://menlo.church/saratoga/series/the-upside-downThe messages on the sermon on the mount. Start at the bottom right of the page for the first one and then watch chronologically by date.

Before C-16 had seen 10 rules for life onlineGot on the Youtube algorithm and things starting coming upWatched a lot of the college classes, all of the Biblical series and many PVK videosThree ways in which he communicates resonate with her styleHe’s a process thinker, while he’s talkingHis ideas have a thousand things attached to itHe puts things together. He sees connections everywhereShe became a follower of Jesus in 1980Listening to Jordan Peterson rewrote her brain to pursue other disciplinesShe started doing art in the year 2000Art gave her a forum to communicateWe each have experiential DNAThe matrix of our experience creates a filterWhen I speak I do through that filterRussian proverb, every truth spoken becomes a lieBy the time it goes through my filter and your filter, it veers from truth.The disciplines of the world stack up together to manifest realityAll information flows from God. From Infinitely simple zeros and ones of binary code All the way to incredibly complex human DNA with a code 3.4 billion letters longWhat’s flowing out into the universe is energy/information All these layers of information, different worldsStack up like the layers of a silicon chipThe way the layers connect are through tubes called viasThe vias, the connecting points, are places of beauty in these disciplinesThe places where physics gets beautiful it is where physics gets simple.Simple at the largest scale and smallest scale.It only gets messy in the middleSeeing Jordan Peterson’s concepts through her principles of designThere are seven elements of designThere are eight principlesYou set up a matrix. Too many choices immobilize.What forces you to creativity is to put strong boundaries around your processIt’s that “what if” that leads you down trails that open up avenuesMaximally beautiful pieces came when she created chaos all over her canvasStep back, look at the chaos, what you do see, what can you find that’s useful? That process is terrifyingThis is the hero’s journey. Art and fear are bound together. Book (Art and Fear by Orland and Bayles https://www.amazon.com/dp/0961454733/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_tai_AniaDb81ZYWA3)Elements and principles of design maps onto all these disciplinesAnd helps to make sense of the difficult concepts in Maps of MeaningJordan Peterson’s reluctance to say he believes in GodNeil Turok “the simplicity of everything”The imaginary number opened up worlds of informationJonathan Pageau, Jesus is the axis, no beginning and no end, going straight up to infinity, also moving up and down on the axisWe are like the asymptote approaching but not reaching His perfectionEveryone is somewhere on the string moving towards more skill or growth or maturityExponentiate a real number gives an asymptote. Exponentiate the imaginary number I gives a Circle. Each of us is somewhere on a string that starts on the Circle and moves asymptotically in and up closer to Christ as He fills us and we mature in HimAs we get closer to Christ we get closer to each otherThere are hierarchies in every discipline, Jesus is the axis of each. he’s the great engineer, artist, physicist, etc. John Ortberg, series on the sermon on the mountHistorySy Garte bio chemist on twitterThe cells of our body need solar input. We can’t be our own sun. We are faced with this field of infinite potential and we need to make choicesEverytime we make a choice we build the future in front of usIn the same way the Universe is expanding into something that is the futureIt’s not only energy that makes that future but also ideasSome of the choices are actions, or ideas, we pluck information out of the universe to build the future. Every discipline (system) has built its structure out of that information. The maximally divisible choices of unique individuals build the future one choice at a time (here is one via connecting to the big idea in calculus)Jesus Christ is the way, the truth and the life. The future spooled forth from that ideaGod spoke at the beginning of timeThe speaking that is from His bookThe speaking that is from natureSpoken word must be heard to be usefulCan spoken truth bring forth bad things?

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