The bassist for rock band Pixies on the surf-music connection, minimalism, the symbiosis between growth and tragedy, and finding forms of expression—on stage and in the water.

Argentine-American Paz Lenchantin is both a musician and a surfer. Throughout her music career, she's held positions in popular alternative-rock bands such as A Perfect Circle, The Entrance Band, Silver Jews, and, most notably, Pixies. Hailing from a family of classical musicians, Lenchantin's love for playing bass went hand in hand with a certain sense of rebelliousness. In this episode, she sits down with Jamie Brisick to talk about the relationship between music and surfing, and the role rhythm plays in structuring our relationships to the surrounding world.