1985 NPC Nationals winner Phil Williams is a guest on the Bodybuilding Legends Podcast talking about training during the Golden Era at Gold's Gym in the early 1980's and at George Turner's Gym in St. Louis during the late 1970's. Phil talks about meeting Mike Mentzer in 1978 and how Mike changed Phil's philosophy on training, working out with Ali Malla and Ray Mentzer at Gold's Gym and his friendships with Gunnar Rosbo and Samir Bannout and his recollections of the most amazing physiques and the hardest training bodybuilders he saw during the Golden Age of Bodybuilding.